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Part 3: Climate Changes, Washington Freezes

Painting by Francois Auguste Biard, 1841

Painting by Francois Auguste Biard, 1841

In the first part of our series on climate chaos “To See Climate Change in Florida…” we revealed how the ominous consequences of climate change are already visible in one of our southernmost states. In the second part, ”Denying Climate Change While Exploiting It,” we showed how big oil corporations are attempting to profit from the melting ice they helped cause. And now, in this third part of our series, we see how even Washington insiders who acknowledge climate change avoid talking about what’s causing it and how to combat it.

To the list of “things the NSA is interested in”, we need to add Climate Chaos. The latest release of documents obtained by National Security Agency contractor and whistleblower Edward Snowden, published in Denmark’s newspaper Information, shows that the NSA spied on negotiating teams for the countries participating in the 2009 climate summit in Copenhagen. At that conference, widely declared a failure, the US was accused of playing hardball by refusing to agree to any set limits on carbon emissions. The new spying revelation raises serious questions about whether the US government is really interested in reaching any international agreement to limit global warming—or prefers to monitor and handicap those who actually might want to do something constructive.

More recent evidence that the Washington establishment is fiddling while Nome melts appeared at a January 23 conference in Washington on climate change sponsored by the influential Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a think tank founded during the Cold War.

That conference, “Global Implications of a Rapidly Changing Arctic,” featured three speakers—all key advisors to policymakers—including White House science advisor Dr. Brendan Kelly, assistant director of polar sciences at the Office of Science & Technology, Dr. Martin Jeffries, program officer and assistant science advisor at the Office of Naval Research, US Arctic Research Commission, and Rear Admiral Jonathan White, oceanographer and navigator of the US Navy.

 “Maine Coast”, by Winslow Homer, 1896

“Maine Coast”, by Winslow Homer, 1896

What these three said during the conference was not as remarkable as what they did not say.

Organizer and panel moderator Heather Conley, a senior fellow at CSIS, acknowledged in an interview with WhoWhatWhy the absence of any discussion at the event about what was causing the polar region to heat up so dramatically, or what might be done to slow the pace of melting, which is likely to render the Arctic Ocean ice-free in summer months as soon as 2016. As she put it:

 “You’re absolutely right that there is a paradox that climate change is transforming the Arctic and freeing up exploitation of more oil and gas that will make climate change even worse, but here we’re focused on ‘How do we deal with this change?’  We’re not talking about causality.”

 So what did they talk about? A video of the event shows that the three experts spoke at length about how an ice-free Arctic Ocean in the summer will make it easier to exploit resources like undersea oil. Rear Adm. White also raised ominous military implications of the melt and resulting black gold rush, stressing the need for a Naval presence to patrol newly opened ocean and to defend a “new northern coastline.”

The panelists also addressed the negative impacts of a warmer Arctic on other parts of the globe. The laundry list of horrors included widening drought, stronger storms, and the southward shifting of winter Polar Vortexes.

Jeffries pointed out that an increasingly rapid melting of the Greenland ice sheet could by itself eventually raise global sea levels by 24 feet (sufficient, as we wrote in Part 1 of this climate chaos series, to submerge Florida as well as much of the eastern coast of the US).

The ice guys even warned that melting permafrost and methyl hydrates—a frozen mix of methane and water buried under the shallow Arctic Ocean seafloor—could dramatically elevate the amount of global warming gases already in the atmosphere. Methane, it should be noted, is 23 times as potent a global warming gas as CO₂, speeding up climate change and making the ultimate consequences far worse.

What Keeps You Up at Night?

As for the causes of climate change, Conley tried nudging the discussion in that direction without success.

“What keeps you up at night,” she asked the three panelists at the end of the conference. “What is the biggest misconception about Arctic warming? And what should the US be focusing on that we aren’t focusing on?”

“Shipwreck” by J.M.W. Turner, 1805

“Shipwreck” by J.M.W. Turner, 1805

Dr. Kelly admitted that did lose sleep over “our inability to focus on the problem.”

Dr. Jeffries said he lost sleep over “the rate of change in the Arctic,” and added that there was a misconception that what happened in the Arctic would have little impact outside the Arctic.

Still, these government officials apparently felt they had to measure their remarks. That’s not so surprising when one considers the power in Washington of moneyed interests whose bottom-line pressures demand maximizing profits while diminishing the possibilities of life itself.

As for the military, it understandably welcomes new opportunities, as suggested by Rear Adm. White. When asked by Conley how much of this keeps him up at night, the admiral replied: “I sleep pretty well.”

 

IMAGE: Francois Auguste BiardIMAGE: Maine CoastIMAGE: Shipwreck

 

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  • Cloudchopper

    Unfortunately, nothing much of any consequence is going to happen until it really hurts the bottom line of the movers and shakers. Some are making fun of formally called global warming by pointing out the snow and cold in the East of the USA. Others are stupid to blame the horrible California drought on Liberals. And Liberals are doing nothing about it either other then paying lip service to it. Obama is terrific in speech making, not so much when it comes to action, unless it helps the banks and corporations.

  • Axel Mattson

    Hi Russ. I’m a huge fan of your work. I consider Family of Secrets one of the ten most important books in my library. IMHO, the global warming debate is ultimately about control. Large corporations trying to control resources, governments and elites trying to control me. My freedoms have already been so curtailed in my lifetime, based most recently on bogus crap like the “war” on terror, the “war” on drugs, etc, that I no longer have any faith or confidence whatsoever in the human race. We have the greatest brain that has ever evolved on this planet and yet we choose to live emotionally instead of rationally, choosing brainwash over logic and reason. Boobus americanus is far more interested in the latest Justin Bieber story than in analyzing even the most basic news items, or seeking out truth. Our species is so easily decoyed by inane trash that they let important things like truth and freedom go by the wayside. At this stage of my life, and with the knowledge I have learned and believe to be correct, I just don’t care about our species anymore. I finally understand what George Carlin was talking about. I don’t care if we go extinct to join 98% of all the other species that have inhabited our planet in the past. We deserve it for squandering our intelligence as a species. I love and respect many individuals but I just don’t care about our species any more. I will do all I can to fight against any further curtailment of my freedoms. If I have to choose between 1) less freedom and control of my own life and 2) caring about my grandmother’s beachfront property in Florida washing away, I’m choosing my freedoms. I’m also a biologist so as a fascinated observer, I welcome change. Mankind is intelligent enough to figure out how to move to higher ground as seas are rising, but not smart enough to know that they are basically just a bunch of sheep being led by their emotions instead of their rational thoughts. If I’ve learned nothing else from your work, including your work on global warming, and my own years of research, it’s that the masses are always clueless as to what is really going on. That will never change.

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  • soularddave

    Powerful, powerful, 1%ers make LOTS of money by maintaining “business as usual”. They convince us to spend our way into oblivion. It’s just *others* whom this will affect, and not those who can spend their way around rising seas and disappearing fresh water.

    The government has largely been bought by spreading money and influence, so by extension, the NSA is the tool of the powerful to enhance their position.

    Everything has a balance, and its waaay out of control right now. We’re learning who, how, and why this is so, and we should be using our information to throw OUR weight to OUR side of the scales.

    Keep the faith, and pass the word.

    • stevor

      It’s NOT “1%”. That means 1 out of 100. Do you actually think that 1 out of 100 are in control enough to get what they want from the government?
      It’s 0.01% at best. That’s 1 out of 10,000. It’s that VERY SMALL number (banksters/wall streeters) who BUY CONGRESS and the “president” to get things to their advantage!
      Saying “1%” is just foolish and the Democrat way to try to make more “rich” (to a billionaire, a millionaire is NOT RICH) look evil (woe is me)

  • PaulFelixSchott

    Father look another fish near the top of the water Young Eagle soon there will be many as the water goes down.
    Father and when the water is gone what will we eat Young Eagle that is foretold in Revelation 19:17-18
    Have no fear young Eagle, those who are faithful to our Father in Heaven to the end will be saved.

    Father and the wicked and lost Young Eagle Most of them will die in the desert because they did not believe
    and were not faithful as did more then 3,000 years ago.

    Satan’s Sin City “Las Vegas” very soon to die like a fish out of water.

    World Leaders Pay Close “ATTENTION”.

    This Planet Earth Cannot And Will Not Support Life As We Know It Without Its FOREST.
    Soon all will take note to the sounds and rumbling of Volcanoes and Earthquakes Around Earth that are Waking Up at a Alarming Rate.
    Just as they did in 1883 from Krakatoa.

    LEADERS PLANT TREES WHILE YOU STILL CAN.

    Read well and study on your own after you have read this.

    This is not a game or joke our Sun gives off a Solar Wind all day year round. If you live in the State of Alaska you see it in the sky above what a sight it is going through our Earth’s Magnet Polls of the North and the South, North Poll. It’s called the Northern Lights or the Aurora Borealis. The day will come when you will be able to see it all over Earth as in the year 1859 Solar Flare,
    It was the largest in 500 years. Two Astronomer’s Hodgson and Carrington told the World that the Solar Flare made a Geomagnetic Storm reach Earth in hours not days. Back then it gave new meaning to “Reach For The Skies” from Telegraph Operators. For hours sparks flew from the key board. Even after the Batteries were disconnected. Nov 3 and 4, 2003 had a X40+ Class Solar Flare,
    Thank GOD it was not coming at Earth this time.

    Our Sun’s UV Rays will get stronger as each passing day goes by, read and i will tell you why. The Great big FOREST have be stripped from most of the Earth for Greed of Money by the Wicked. The trees our are Main Source of Oxygen on this Plant. The Forest Trees scrubs the Pollution out of the air and makes Oxygen from the rain and dirt that it grows in. The Forest Trees do more than just make Oxygen they stop Soil Erosion, just Look at the 1930 Dust Bowl. Greed by our wicked Government leaders to bleed from us as much money as they could out of us thru taxes led farmers to clear cut all their Forest, and farm all the land they were being Tax on.
    They had to farm it to pay for the Taxes. Why leave the Trees when food crop makes Money.

    This Did not Help the Depression that effected most all Worldwide. More than 100 million in the coming years will suffer from Malnutrition and Dehydration. Going without Food and Safe Drinking Water to drink many will die!

    One country can see clearly and knows already the World’s food and safe drinking water supply is running out at a record pace. With one of the world’s largest Population it has taking steps to no longer let anyone in its country, export any of its farmland grown food or grain from INDIA to any other country Nov 2013.

    China is trying to buy up all the world’s grain it can and the future harvest of framers. Future Commodities of Food Stocks soon will climb like a rocket because of this. China is also right now working on passing laws on its farmers. China Rural Reforms On Farming Jan 2014.

    It to soon will become a country that will not export any of its food or grain to any other country. In the United States of America alone more than 46+ Million Americans Received Food Stamps and that number is
    going up every day every year since 2009. The number of Homeless is growing worldwide in America 20,000 in the once known to the world as “Motor City” Detroit Michigan.

    The bread and food lines are growing Worldwide. 100 to 300 in
    Sioux Falls S.D. Every Friday stand in the cold waiting to get food at the Military Armory. The same once a month in Hawaii in front of a Stone that dwarfs any man that reads…….

    (“IN MEMORY OF WAIALU – KAHUKU WORLD WAR II HEROES WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES THAT THE REST OF THE WORLD MAY LIVE IN PEACE”)
    it list the names of many

    (“DEDICATED BY THE WAIALUA LIONS CLUB JULY 4, 1947″)

    Through the years many of us have help cook and feed the poor and needy in Hawaii and around the World, most of us USA Military or work or did work or Volunteered for Uncle Sam.

    And GOD willing may we be able to do so till our LORD returns.

    The Pollution and CO2 Carbon Dioxide go into the Tree Bark as a shield from most bugs so they do not eat the tree. Less Forest less Oxygen this is why the Moon. That has no Oxygen is very cold on the side without Sun Light, And hot as ever on the side with Sun Light. Way too cold and too hot to live there. You would need at least 10 times the Energy we use on Earth to even live there and life on the Moon would be very short.

    With no blank of Oxygen to lessen or reduce the Sun’s UV Rays and Solar Wind they are deadly there on our Moon. Every Mt. Climber and Aircraft Pilot knows the higher you go the thinner the Oxygen and colder it gets.
    Just spend a night on a Mt. top above 13,000 feet with no Sun Light and you will see or should i say feel the cold stinging any of your exposed skin. If you are new to Mt. Climbing stay below 10,000Ft. The Astronauts and the Cosmonauts and Fighter Pilots that i have been with for years know this very well, and the Radiation Hazards to humans at High Altitudes.

    Soon the Sun’s Solar Wind and UV rays will be way to strong for most to go out in the Sun Light for even a short time.

    The Geomagnetic Storm to come and the Bad Weather Storms well you have not seen nothing yet and the Sea Level is Rising the Oceans. Many Millions have been affected by Floods in China and Pakistan and around the planet.
    Every year there is more storms and they are stronger of greater magnitude and bigger.

    In 2005 Over a Thousand dead in New Orleans Flood, and the list is going on.
    Homes without Electric power are in the hundreds to 1,000 all over earth every year now from storms.
    Pray you are ready to be without power for a week or two in the cold winter or hot summer.

    GREENLAND Ice sheet took more than 3,000 years to get its mass size and weight.
    Greenland’Ice sheet is one of the largest ice sheets on this Planet Earth it is the second in mass. People on Earth are putting an end to it in less than 50 years.

    There is a very simple point to this. Dams all over the planet have had
    a Earthquake when filled too fast or let out a lot of water in a short time.

    GREENLAND Ice sheet Weight is a unbelievable amount as it gets lighter,
    GREENLAND ICE sheet WILL give a Earthquake no one will forget.
    Coastal cities LOOK OUT a Mt. Wall Of Water will come, from one of these Earthquakes.
    If you live by the coastline now is a good and smart time to move you might not get another chance to do so in time. History has recorded times of coastal towns, cities and coastline being inundated by sea water 5 to 10 miles inland.

    In the past 50 years Earth has had more FLOODING then in the last 1,000 years. 1014AD VERY LARGE TIDAL WAVES THE LARGEST EVER RECORDED FROM IMPACTS, ALL OF THE ATLANTIC OCEAN AFTER PASSING THROUGH COMET’S LONG TAIL.
    LEVELING WHOLE CITIES AND TOWN THAT WERE MILES INLAND.

    And there shall be Famines, and Pestilences, and Earthquakes, in divers places such as was not from the beginning of the Creation.

    Scientist Dr. Katharine Giles had done many experiments investigating “Sea Ice Thickness”, and showed it to governments around the Earth how the Sun rays and winds affected the newly exposed Arctic Ocean. Some of Scientist Dr. Giles research focused on using satellites to better understand the physics of the ice covered Polar Oceans.

    Scientist Dr. Giles to all Warning Water will warm faster than ICE covered water or water with ice in it.

    The last 30 years On Earth we have broke all High Temp Records and the temp it is still going up.

    All the Worlds Ice Glacier are melting at an Accelerating Rate. The Glaciers and Polar Ice Caps store more water than all the Fresh Water Lakes on Earth.

    Look to the (US Gov web site “USGS U.S. Geological Survey” Repeat Photography of Alaskan Glaciers USGS)

    The Bad Weather Storms now are Babies compared to what is to come.

    They will get even bigger and worse less Oxygen the more UV Rays to the Earth and more Water molecules will evaporate and go up into the Earth’s Atmosphere. Less Oxygen the Colder without sun light and Hotter with it.
    Record cold and record hot temps, highs and lows will now be broke every year.

    The Sky full of more water vapor molecules, more snow in the winter and more Flash Floods in the Summer. All earth will see way more fires and the Deserts are growing larger and have been for the last 75+ years.
    The water Springs in the desert that once made the place a oasis to support life are long gone.

    Satan’s Sin City “Las Vegas” very soon to die like a fish out of water.

    The Governor of California Jerry Brown has declared a State Of Emergency due to the driest DROUGHT in California’s history. Friday January 17, 2014

    Lake Mead at record low and soon will not be able to make electric power.

    (” If every living person on Earth were to Plant A Tree Today we might have a chance.”)

    FOR A SHORT TIME ALL THE MILITARY ON ALL SIDES PUT DOWN THEIR WEAPONS AND PLANTED TREES
    IN PAKISTAN MORE THEN A MILLION TREES IN A DAY, and they did this for days.

    NOW WHY CAN WE NOT DO THIS WORLD WIDE?

    Maybe the UN and leaders on this planet are just a little more than show in the head.
    OUR Planets Atmosphere needs Oxygen with the decline of it the world’s health will decline, as like some of the not so smart gov payed Scientist. Some that will do or say anything for $$$$$.

    Once the days start getting shorter the cooler it will get and longer days warmer, most all fifth graders and every framer on Earth knows this.
    IF they had know better and had a brain like a Scientist to go with the tidal of one they carry they would have known, that the Sea Ice is going to grow at a Record Pace with Shorter Days. Just as with longer days the summers are going to brake all records each and every year that OUR Planets Atmosphere Oxygen declines.

    Mid Summer Days hot as Hell, Winter Nights POLAR BEAR WEATHER. Stronger winds wind chills -0 and below the new normal for winter.

    (“EXPEDITIONS on ships into ice seas many have been done most all know it is safer and wiser to do it as the days are getting longer not as a fool when the days are getting shorter. You risk yours and the life’s of others that will come to rescue you.

    World Leaders and your Scientist be Smart open your eyes most all on Earth can see and want to hear the TRUTH from its leaders.
    Stop running your vessel Afoul. If you follow a true course the spirit that gives your heart its life will give you great wisdom and strength and power to resist the wicked.”)
    Scientist are you afraid of losing that fat pay check, or think that the wicked will end your work like NOBLE BRAVEHEARTED Scientist Dr. Katharine Giles.
    Everyone that the wicked think they have stopped its work 100 will replace that NOBLE BRAVEHEARTED one.

    By your work shall ye be judged do good help others and always seek and tell the TRUTH.
    Every soul will be filled with great fear that don’t help others and don’t seek the truth and our LORD, JUDGEMENT DAY.

    The Earth’s Atmosphere Blanket surrounding it protects life on Earth as Our Lord and GOD will all that seek Him.

    Then it is written WHEN THE TREE IS FULL IT IS HARVEST TIME. All the Earth will someday burn away.
    This is all Foretold in the Bible Read it
    and may our Lord Bless all that do so.
    Daniel 12 : 1 – 3

    The Lord’s Little Helper
    Paul Felix Schott
    solardowork@yahoo.com
    KI4-AEX

    P.S.
    2 Peter 3:10
    But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the Earth and its works will be burned up.

    GOD Bless You and Your Love ones
    Give thanks to our Lord Jesus Christ every day.
    Read
    Luke 21:20-22
    Matthew 24: 30-33

    Solar Energy the way to go.
    Many States and Countries Are and are Banning Fracking.

    SAFE DRINKING WATER RUNNING OUT FASTER THEN YOU THINK WORLD WIDE.

    Hydraulic Fracturing a Danger to us All.

    Archimedes and Albert Einstein
    These two are at the top of the list of the World’s Greatest Scientists,
    Viewed by Scientist around the World.

    Sad that for the last 25 years or so of every teacher asked no matter what
    Grade k through 16. At least 80% of them did not know Archimedes. Even sadder 90% of them could not tell you what one of the most Brilliant Scientist to ever live on Earth. Won the Nobel Prize for.

    It was for the work Albert Einstein did to show the World it could get
    Free Energy, Electric from the SUN. (THE PHOTOVOLTAIC EFFECT).
    We still do not Teach this to are young Why?

    Churches all over earth are Going Solar why not are schools?

    In many cities and more added every day there are more (EV’s) Electric Vehicles Charging Stations than gasoline, the UK was one of the first.
    Wicked Leaders and many that are in the Dark and Lost wake up it will very soon be too late.

    Please go to (Electric Vehicle Charging Station map) Oil CEO’s soon to lose more than their shirt.

    FREE SOLAR ENERGY FROM THE SUN. Why KEEP sending your TAX $$$$$ to the Middle East.

    Canada is next door obama and is one of our Closest Allies. Canada keystone pipeline in January 2012, President Obama put the brakes on and rejected the application. We should have done all we could, to have completed the project long ago.
    Sorry obama i forgot Canada did close the wicked Muslin Islamic Republic Den Of Spies And Espionage in Canada and tell the Terrorist supporting
    people working in them to leave Canada in less than 5 days or go straight to jail.

    You obama are still trying to send Muslins all the USA tax money you can.

    SOLAR ENERGY
    Why is not every GOV BUILDING IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA COVERED WITH USA BUILT “BUILT IN AMERICA” (PV) SOLAR ENERGY?

    WE WOULD BE SAVING MILLIONS AND PUTTING MILLIONS TO WORK.
    WHY ARE WE STILL SENDING $$$,$$$,$$$,$$$ TO THE Middle East ?
    When there is SOLAR and WIND ENERGY.

    Tesla car owners drive coast to coast FREE from the SUNLIGHT, 2014.

    This is not the Roman Empire (Taxes Kill Growth) Lower all taxes and America will grow and FLOURISH without OUR
    White House SATAN DICTATORSHIP AND CONTROL on US.

    There is enough Energy coming from our SUN to power all are needs on Earth and then some.
    Albert Einstein

  • Undecider

    Nice work of fiction. This “climate change” is a religion no less fantastic than Santa Claus. Mr. Lindorff seems to have bought the whole kitten kaboodle with all the appropriate talking points. These are political party driven. From, 2000-2008, they gained steam criticizing the policies of George Bush and the Republicans and kept it going by going along with the Leftist pushed religion of global warming.

    All the talking points are there. CO2, methane and melting Arctic. These people never understand the proximity and output of the Sun, the reflective and shading effects of Moon, as well as the tilt of the Earth that creates the effect of the seasons. It’s truly amazing. Complete ignorance and fueled by the spoon fed information from the Foundation and Corporate funded Establishment and their scamster sub-organizations.

    Oh but wait! Dare we have a discussion regarding geo-engineering and weather modification? Oh, let’s not go there.

    Wake up and get a clue.

    • ReduceGHGs

      So you think NASA, NAS, AAAS, AGU, MET are all religious organizations and therefore don’t do honest science? And YOU tell others to “get a clue”? LOL!

  • ReduceGHGs

    Human-caused climate change is well established science. Among those that actively study it, there’s no credible doubt. We are deteriorating our only habitat mainly by changing the atmosphere’s composition and deforesting the land. Please join the efforts to change. Learn more and do more.
    ExhaustingHabitability(dot)com

    • stevor

      What is Cloud Seeding? (climate change)

      How long have we done cloud seeding? (decades)

      Do you think we’d still be doing it if it did not change the climate? (not likely)

      Do you think that after all those decades, we might have “improved” our ability to PURPOSEFULLY change the climate? (I think so)

      Does the government WANT to change the climate on purpose? (yes, see accompanying link)

      So, make sure you’re complaining about the correct cause of it!

      https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/s517/text

      • ReduceGHGs

        I didn’t say anything about “cloud seeding”. Try looking it up on the net. It’s used to increase precipitation levels locally.
        For now I think the focus should be on reducing activities that we know pollute the atmosphere to the extent that it affects climate patterns. If you think of governments as “We The People” it’s easier to understand why they would want to reduce the risks of altering climate patterns that we’ve become dependent on. Consider how these changing conditions affect the health and safety of people around the world for many generations to come; Decreased fresh water supplies, stronger storms, higher sea levels, increasing ocean acidity, and much more.

        The causes are mainly CO2 emissions and deforestation. Read what the experts have been saying for many years. I provide links on my website.

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  • concerned

    2003 JIP (joint industry project methane hydrate r and d international effort) workshop document reads like a timeline of events leading up to the gulf oil spill they dilled into methane hydrate and the previously disscussed worst case scenario happened.

  • concerned

    And remember how noone could explain why seawater was used for drillng fluid on the deepwater horizon? Seawater for drilling fluid was part of the proposed method of extraction mentioned in the 2003 JIP document.

  • Jim B

    OK – I don’t disagree with any of the facts as presented above. I don’t deny warming is happening. What is never addressed in these articles however is an important fact – we are in a period of warming that started in about 1800 that looks very similar to the Medieval Warming Period (look it up, really!). The MWP started around the year 850 or so and ended circa 1300. At the end of the warming period, they were growing grapes in England and the Vikings settled Greenland because it was very habitable. Then the cooling between approx 1300 and 1800 happened. Everyone in Greenland died because of the ice. Everyone. If you look at the facts, you’ll see the warming started in the pre-industrial age and has followed the same track since. You can expect about 200-300 more years of this. Sorry, these are the inconvenient truths.

  • Jim B

    Dave – First, thanks for your polite response. Some people tend to get very worked up about these things which prevents an Adult conversation. I have not heard that the rate of melting was doubling every 10 years – where does that info come from? Also, I’ve read from more than one source that while the Arctic ice is shrinking that the Antarctic sheet was actually growing: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/09/19/antarctic-sea-ice-sets-another-record/

    So, as you point out, these things can vary at different places at the same time. This issue is complicated, and it’s easy to find evidence to support either viewpoint, unfortunately. I think your sincerity comes through in your articles – So, I’m not saying your wrong, I just have lots of questions.

  • stevor

    So, did you know that the government wanted to create climate change in 2005? Think they might have followed through on it?

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/s517/text

  • stevor

    Don’t give me any of that “tree ring” garbage. I had an interest in it and decided to study it. I looked at seven elm trees of similar age in a park in my city, compared the rings, and they DID NOT MATCH one another. I did a similar study of 30 trees at Lake Tahoe (conifers) and they did not match, either.
    If you truly care and dispute what I say, go to Amazon and order my CHEAP kindle book “The Fallacy of Tree Rings” where pictures of the tree rings are shown plus a graph of the data.

  • stevor

    “leaked out” such as HAARP? Yeah, there are quite a few HAARP installations in several countries. What do you think their purpose is? One HAARP worker said it can “raise the upper atmosphere”. Just what do you think that might do and why do you think they’d try to do it?

  • John Cook

    Sorry to have to upset your theories but despite all the extra co2 since 2000 the average temperature had not increased.
    You see the whole “greenhouse theory” turns out to be simply wrong. But still they go on and on about co2. It’s the sun that determines the earths temperature. And according to its current lack of sunspots we are headed to a low activity period for the sun. Expects more cold and/or dry weather for the next few decades.

  • John Cook

    How preposterously naive. This guy believes there is no such thing as secret. Billions or Trillians of dollars can get “lost” in the Secret parts off the Pentagon accounting but Dave is sure that any research in Climate Comtrol would be all in the open. How stupid IS HE? Or how stupid does he think we are?

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  • Jim B

    Actually, I would take exception to your statement above. The warming started BEFORE the Industrial Revolution. That was the point of my comments a couple of weeks ago. The warming began about 1800. Before cars – before coal fired power plants – before the first commercial steam trains. Add that to the constant assertion by climate scientists that anything we do now won’t have an effect until decades later, it’s completely false to assert that the warming started because of the Industrial Revolution. The Industrial Revolution couldn’t possibly have had an effect until the very late 1800’s because of the delays involved, and the very limited areas where it began.

  • NoMoBamaNation

    I was working at NASA in 1992 in Greenbelt Maryland. It was announced then that the Sun was increasing its output in a way we had not yet witnessed. it was not understood, but it was clearly decided that this increase was warming the entire solar system and that it would continue for at least another 20 years. I am convinced this is by far the dominant cause of the warming we have seen. When you look at the carbon dioxide contributions of the natural world on Earth, things like algea blooms in the ocean for instance, and realize that just the variations in these phenomena exceed mans contributions you have to laugh at the so-called science of global warming when they claim the problem is anthropogenic.

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