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Did You Hear About the Shooting?

One of the most striking things about shooting incidents in America…is how common they are. Another striking thing is how often the media fails to note the previous point, or to explore what that means—or what might be done about it.

Late last night, a gunman walked into a movie theater in a Denver suburb, killed 12 and injured 50. Two days earlier a gunman opened fire outside a bar in Tuscaloosa, Alabama in an incident in which at least 17 were hurt. These were not really so exceptional. Every year, about 100,000 Americans are victims of gun violence, and every week, people calmly enter our schools, our workplaces, our leisure gathering spots and open fire on innocent bystanders.

Whenever we tweet or post about these, often the only people we hear from are those who say we need more guns not less. “If I had been there with my gun….” The problem, of course, is the public at large is being asked to arm everyone and trust that, while the rest of us cower, “the right people” will quickly dispatch “the wrong people” in the modern equivalent of the Shootout at the OK Corral.  No mention of whether the teacher is supposed to be armed…when a nut walks into a preschool and starts firing away.

Meanwhile, the media doesn’t have any answers at all. Each time such an incident occurs, they primarily evince a morbid interest in the grotesque details of the incident and the psycho of the day. In this case, early indications were that the suspect in custody, James Holmes, said to be a dropout from a medical school, had some kind of imagined association with the film being shown, the Batman movie “The Dark Knight Rises.”

And what is our response to all this? We were told that the president was awakened at 5:25am by his counterterrorism adviser. He then issued the following statement:

“As we do when confronted by moments of darkness and challenge, we must now come together as one American family,” Mr. Obama said. “All of us must have the people of Aurora in our thoughts and prayers as they confront the loss of family, friends and neighbors, and we must stand together with them in the challenging hours and days to come.”

Later, in a press conference, he said: “Such violence, such evil is senseless.”

Romney, in a statement, said:

“Ann and I are deeply saddened by the news of the senseless violence that took the lives of 15 people in Colorado and injured dozens more. We are praying for the families and loved ones of the victims during this time of deep shock and immense grief.  We expect that the person responsible for this terrible crime will be quickly brought to justice.”

That’s about the sum total of leadership these days. Avoid the core issue, pray, and extend sympathies to the families of the victims. No mention of systemic and endemic factors, or of taking action to prevent this kind of tragedy in the future.

A Brutal Culture Begets Violence

In the case of the Tuscaloosa shooter, we had some useful particulars. But sadly, this kind of actionable information is just too “big picture” for us to contemplate:

…There were signs Wilkins’ life was unraveling.

He divorced from his wife of 16 years around 2005 and a credit union last year tried to garnish wages at his then-employer, Capstone Oilfield Services, to collect a more than $15,000 debt but couldn’t because he had declared bankruptcy. And the co-owner of the FedEx store where Wilkins turned himself in said Wilkins talked about being high on drugs during the shootings.

From that, we can see that Wilkins was experiencing stresses and crises. And at least some of them are related to the economic difficulties most of us are facing. And those are caused, at least in some cases, by greed and relentless pressure for profits, irrespective of the harm to others. That is, stresses are not all our fault. The ruthless bottom-line priorities of our society and the lack of protections for consumers and workers are factors in people becoming alienated and enraged. (We wrote a bit about regulating financial excesses the other day—you can read that here.)

Gun violence is also due, in part, to the power of gun manufacturers—which constitute way too big an industry altogether. While it’s surprisingly hard to find accurate totals on firearms production, which in itself is troubling, according to a gun manufacturers’ association, even a decade ago American firms were pumping out more than 3 million combined rifles, shotguns, revolvers and pistols in a single year. And those numbers have been climbing.

That’s a mind-boggling figure. Indeed, we live in a country where firepower, both that held by individuals and by the state, is, frankly, pretty deranged. No other country on earth so bristles with means of killing—and no other country thinks it is quite so healthy an entertainment for us and our children to sit at a console for hours and try to “kill” other people—including civilians. No other country thinks it is moral behavior to use pilotless drones to kill—in large part—people whose only crime is that they’re young men of military age.

We just love our violence—so how surprising is it that violence for fun begets the real thing? Here’s what a witness told CNN affiliate KUSA:

“We were watching a scene of the movie — it was a shootout scene, there were guns firing,” he said. “Then loud bangs came from the right of the theater. Smoke took over the entire theater, and it was really thick and no one could really see anything. Me and my sister were sitting there wondering what was going on. Five people were limping, wounded, slightly bloody.”

Understandably, the violence that pervades our lives just makes us more angry and more dangerous to each other. We are, in short, a sick society on many levels—and we need to do something about it.

That’s a conversation we could be having. But our major media and our elected leaders would have to get it started.

In the meantime, we can talk among ourselves, in a civilized way, about how to become a more peaceable people. Here are a couple of openers:

□ An interesting study in which inexperienced players of violent video games showed more of a need to cleanse themselves afterwards than the veteran gamers. What does this tell us about acclimatization to violence?

□ More information on possible solutions can be found at sites such as the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

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  • Mark Mcdonald

    you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to gun restrictions.

    • Bruce Nevin

      Yes, I suppose discussion here should add gun restrictions to the  issues that the article actually talks about.

  • Kusokurae

    People in general are on a path of rejecting their traditional values–they’ve quit going to church, stopped keeping the Sabbath day holy, and lost their civilization without even realizing what they’re doing. It’s definitely true that we should be having a conversation about why we’ve become so sick as a society, but it is not the job of “our elected leaders” to get that started. For us to think that our elected leaders have this responsibility means that we’ve elevated the State to be our god. When the State, which is inherently violent and coercive, is worshipped as the means of cleansing our souls of the hatred that pervades our society, it should be no surprise that we see the violence and depravity only continuing to grow.

    • Jesco

      FYI people shot each other long before they stopped going to church. A traditional human value is killing other humans. So please pack up the BS and tackle the real problem. 

      A society that teaches people that the slightest hint of sex is bad, but extreme violence is fun is heading down an unhealthy path. A society that teaches that only the winner deserves anything is going to have a lot of disgruntled losers. A society where guns are more widespread than healthcare is gonna be filled with gun victims. US society teaches people to fear your fellow man, because he’s out to kill you for your possesions and thus a lot of trigger happy loons are on the lose. Before US americans learn to cooperate they will keep being caught in their spiral of hate, fear, violence and death.

    • Russ Baker

       if elected officials are let off the hook that easily, then there really is no hope. We have every right to demand that they take these things seriously–and level with us.

    • jimmmmmy

      Many of these lone gunmen had “hard” religious values, being part of some church cult makes one more likely to be psychotic. Think Taliban. Or Jim Jones in Guyana, Koresh in Waco, or the guys that murder women, children, and doctors at medical clinics all over the US.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L23MMI7TC4NYYM3BEKY2K34OOY Vanna L

      This guy was raised up in a devout Presbyterian household.

  • http://charlesfrith.blogspot.com/ Charles Frith

    Let’s not ignore that lone gunmen are often State sponsored MKULTRA victims. I’m anti guns but right now the US is facing civil war and the military et al know that.

  • paduley

    When politicians flourish & the state is worshiped,
    individual men & their fredoms will be found bleeding upon the alter.

  • paduley

    & I suppose you’ll be right up next to the Bradys before the UN outlawing the guns of law abiding Americans resulting in only the “brown shirts”,
    gang members & kooks haveing them.
    Keep your soft soap to yourself !  I’ll protect me & mine. Thank you

  • slowriøt

    Every time this happens we lose rights. We also lose credibility. At the very least we need to severely tighten gun regulation. It’s no surprise that the under-educated
    are clinging to their weapons, thinking they will come in handy when the
    ‘civil war’ they so desperately want, begins. So far this story has
    none of the fingerprints of a kid being manipulated by a malevolent
    Jonestown-type force. It appears to be about the way we treat the
    mentally-ill and the economically ruined. Give ‘em guns, right? You
    know, maybe if  this sociopathic underclass of right-wing mongoloids would shed their hate we could grow as a nation.

    • jimmmmmy

      Great post on topic and terse.

  • Marko

    Look at the bright side Russ. Another gun wacko is off the street. Three or four million more incidents like this and we’ll have them all locked up.

  • Robert Morrow

    0%
    support for gun control here. Disarm the masses and megacriminals like Lyndon
    Johnson, GHW Bush and lesser criminals like the Clintons and the Nixon will be
    the only one with weapons. No guns in Rwanda and 800,000 get slaughtered, most
    with machetes.

    And
    THAT is an extremely dangerous situation. If 3 or 4 other folks in that theater
    had guns the kill and wounded total would be 1/3 or 1/4 of what it
    was.

    • jimmmmmy

      I agree somewhat but I fear that if people in the theater were armed there would have been many more dead, accidentally . I have been in firefights in Vietnam friendly fire was a big component of the stats. My support of government gun control is similar to yours . I think government control of weapons distribution is a far greater evil than psycho-shootings, several time a year. To change this behavior would require massive cultural adjustments that I just don’t see happening currently.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brightpathvideo John Parulis

     The sad massacre in Colorado should not be used to drum up more
    restrictive handgun and long gun laws, except for one type of situation.
    The people who do these kinds of things almost always suffer from some
    form of mental illness. Improving the screening process so that such
    individuals are kept away from owning or obtaining guns is a better
    solution. The case of the Florida man in the internet cafe is a case in
    point to argue for responsible concealed carry. There is no way the
    police could have stopped the Colorado tragedy. A well trained citizen
    with a legally concealed weapon might have.

    The NRA and Gun
    Owners of America would do well to link concealed carry campaigns in
    restrictive states like California to mandatory home and public places
    handgun training courses. This would help to insure that responsible,
    law abiding and well trained people take advantage of the right to bear
    arms, concealed or otherwise.

    The NRA has to start getting serious about advocating for  improving
    screening processes in all states, and requiring a thorough training course as part of the requirement for gun ownership…at least for concealed carry. They might get somewhere legislatively if they did.

    • Russ Baker

       Ok, here’s an idea: Gun buyers must fill out a form:
      I am mentally ill or might become so in the forseeable future–or might lose my cool…  YES/NO

      • http://www.facebook.com/brightpathvideo John Parulis

         Actually, they do have to fill out a federal form that pretty much asks those questions ( except for the last part). There needs to be a doctor’s certificate or some form of accountability with the process.

  • Russ Baker

    comments so far run counter to the Facebook shares–guess we need a revised adage, “Speak loudly and carry a big stick” LOL

    Would the “silent majority” please comment, too?

    • jimmmmmy

      I don’t do facebook please explain the breakdown .

  • Russ Baker

    Here’s more sentiment along these lines from Adam Gopnik at The New Yorker… 
    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/07/aurora-movie-shooting-one-more-massacre.html

  • Bruce Nevin
  • Carine Clary

    Wait a few days.  Bet you anything it’ll come out that the shooter was on a cocktail of “antidepressants.”

    • Russ Baker

       We’ll all be on antidepressants if something isn’t done about gun violence.

      • jimmmmmy

        Gun violence is declining in the US as the security forces tighten their grip . Check the stats. More people are killed in random car crashes . The same solutions could be applied there , rigid control by government , of who’s allowed to drive.

  • z1Patriot

     

    Russ, with all due respect, what are you trying to say?

    Have you ever shot a gun or rifle? Do you feel safe around such
    weapons? People who have been around them all their lives, or who
    have learned to use them feel as safe and as comfortable around them
    as you do with a dictionary.

    You are complaining that the politicians are not going directly to
    the issue but neither are you. If I get your drift you are saying
    either there is not enough regulation of guns or that we should
    eliminate the second amendment. Since you do not clearly state where
    you are on the matter it is difficult to know where you stand.

    The Militia Act of 1792
    required “every citizen so enrolled and notified, shall, within six
    months thereafter, provide himself
    with a good musket or firelock”… (notice provide himself)

    The Declaration of
    Independence states:

    …That whenever any
    Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right
    of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to
    institute new Government…But when a long train of abuses
    and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design
    to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their
    right, it is their duty, to
    throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future
    security.

    Notice, it is their duty.

    How ya gonna do that without your
    second amendment?

    Russ, this is the reason for the second
    amendment.

    The fallacy being driven in the
    corporate media and by yourself is that the only reasonable answer
    that is in line with the second amendment is that it be for a
    “sporting” or “hunting” purpose. Moreover, out of 300
    million people, a media blitz magnifying a crime out of proportion is
    intended to be used by good people like yourself, knowingly or not,
    to leverage action against people that don’t see things your way.
    Your unconscious instinct seems to be to displace long-held
    Constitutional rights of others to fit your perception of how things
    should be. Think Russ! Then go take a gun class.

    Your desire for a Utopia where we can
    all live in peace is admirable, however, in light of the current
    train of abuses by the federal government it is a stretch to ask
    reasonable people to give up or restrict there inalienable right to
    keep and bear arms for the purpose laid down at the foundation of
    this country.

    “Family of Secrets” great book! We
    highly recommend it. We respect you Russ. Sadly we differ on this
    point, but look forward to the day when you change your opinion.

    • Russ Baker

       When its time for me to do my militia duty, I shall, duly, obtain said musket. Thanks.

  • Dan Garden

    Three ideas seem salient:  1) Second amendment to Bill of Rights was   necessary as part of the political agenda to get the Constitution ratified. It says what it says. We accept the bad with the obvious good. 2) “police force” kills, shoots, many people – are they going to be disarmed if the “citizens” are? 3) 

    “After a shooting spree, they always want to take the
    guns away from the people who didn’t do it. I sure as hell wouldn’t want
    to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police
    and the military.” W.S. Burroughs

    • Thomas

      “it says what it says.” Sorry, but it says what people interpreting it today say it says–and this interpretation has changed over the last 200 years. It was originally meant to preserve militias, so that the US government would not have a standing army, which it now does, making the amendment obsolete. It wasn’t really used to invoke a personal right to have a gun until the 1960s, and it appears that the Black Panthers were some of the first to make this argument. Note that the phrase ‘bear arms’ meant to use them in war, not for hunting or recreation or even defense of the home. Note also that the founding fathers regulated guns, and guns were also widely regulated even in the so called wild west–a common requirement upon reaching a town was to deposit your guns with the sheriff during your visit. You can find all of this information in a recent article in the New Yorker, or at your local library.

      • Russ Baker

         Thanks. Succinct and effective. Stop by any time.

      • Dan Garden

        Since the response addresses something I did not claim, the matter of interpretation, I’ll simply assume that you agree with what I wrote. Thanks. Parenti at TUC Radio gives a good background on the ratification and Shays. Note that Shays preceded the ratification. I might note too that “regulated” has changed somewhat in semantic vlaue – as it originally meant more or less “standardized”, not “controlled”. N. Webster, the guy who “regulated” American English was a contemporary – so a glance at a 200 year Webster’s dictionary might be useful as well.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brad-Bergstrom/511370292 Brad Bergstrom

         What is word #3 of the 2nd Amendment??

        “regulated”!

  • jimmmmmy

    Like most of us I’m conflicted by Gun Control talk that goes rabid everytime one of these events occur . and I’m sure rigid gun control like Canada would reduce these events slightly . Government sanctioning of gun ownership [ gun control ] scares me more than random shootings . A large part of the US economy is dependant on foreign and domestic weapons sales , another point thats usually glossed over when these things happen. Gun violence is actually on a decline in the US as are overall violent crimes , except dope smoking arrests. More people are killed in car crashes than shootings . Most gun deaths are suicides, or domestic disputes. This whole subject has been politicized beyond repair.

  • Samoffat

    Not only do gun mfgrs have too much power,  war arms mfgrs do, too. Do you suppose that the adoration of war weapons in the USA may trickle down and suffuse the mentality of   potentislly disturbed civilians? We live in a domain of weapons, wars; the streets are paved with guns, the towns alive with them, the skies with armed drones – and we are surprised when tragedies happen?  Fatal  idiocy.

  • http://www.911Blogger.com/ Orangutan.

     Terror Drills in Aurora Colorado on 9/23/2011

    Operation Mountain Guardian:

    A massive terror drill – remarkably ignored by all but local media –
    is now underway in Douglas County, Colorado. Mock terror drills will be
    staged at a mall, an elementary school, a community college in Aurora, a
    hospital, and transportation hubs, including the Denver airport.

  • Pkibble

    Yesterday I e-mailed a friend the following:I don’t want no goddam gubmint takin’ away my Second Amendment rights—-to kill every motherf****r in this theater. Done deal! I            THE NRA!In her response, she indicated that a heat-packing mutual acquaintance of ours had joined the NRA immediately upon hearing of the Colorado massacre.In terms of reflex predictability, Pavlov’s dogs have nothing on the happiness-is-a-warm-gun crowd.

  • sadmom

    I would like to see more discussion about the laws governing mental illness.   My family has a mentally ill adult and we have no way to help her because she has to be “in the act” of either hurting someone else or herself before we are eligible to get her help.   And then she can be held for treatment for only 3 days.   Three days of treatment does not help a lifetime of mental illness.   The laws need to be changed to better enable families to get help for their loved ones and to better prevent suicide and homicide tragedies.   

    • Bruce Nevin

      I hear that. What do you do about someone who is liable to be a danger to herself and others? Nobody guaranteed that love would be easy, and as you say the extended treatment depicted in “I never promised you a rose garden” is a thing of the past, the quick pharmacological fix is in, and that’s dicey business. 

  • Soularddave

    When something outrageous like this happens, the media rush to it, ignoring everything else. So I wonder what OTHER significant happenings have we been missing? For sure, events continue to unfold in Syria, but we don’t hear the details.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4VSJFR5YBXBMDAPNT2ASNDVT2U John

    In large part, I see these events, like the VA Tech Shooter, Columbine’s shooters, and yesterday’s Aurora shooter, as an indictment on what passes for “parenting” and “education” today. Firearms are merely tools, not unlike chainsaws and axes. These devices have the capability to be used productively to be secure in your home or person, to hunt, to chop wood and cut down trees. They can also be weapons to slay or bludgeon any one or thing indiscriminately. The most dangerous weapon yet evolved is the human mind. It can evolve into a Michelangelo or J.S. Bach, or John Hinckley, Jr. How a mind is trained and developed, whether character, morality, self-respect, and self-restraint   is present in a human being is highly correlated to the quality and quantity or training, discipline and stability in the home, with parents engaged in their children’s development, and competent to hold them accountable. In a related, and disturbing development, as we federalized education, made it content and test driven, and asserted that children’s “rights” are the prevailing consideration, as opposed to their responsibilities, any prayer of developing young minds with the ability to broadly explore the dimensions of human possibility have been eviscerated. Schools are factories that churn out units capable of attending to minor, if not insignificant, sub-niches of information. Perhaps the Aurora shooter was “brilliant” in the sub-niche of Neuroscience and cell biology, but along the way, evidently, no one bothered to see that he was introduced to Art, the Humanities, including but not limited to Philosophy, History, Literature, Religion, Languages, Engineering, Business or any other subject where he may have learned to make assessments, exercise judgment, learn to aspire to something more creative and enduring than Mortal CombatVI, Fast .N Furious XV, or other like, hollow, superficial outlets for rage. Thus far, not a word has been mentioned that he had a pet, a friend, enjoyed Nature, played games, sports or was otherwise connected to anything other than his fantasies.

    Last, before we except the false choice of banning guns or escalating the firearms race, we should reconsider the implications of the Americans With Disabilities Act, and the well-intentioned but ignorant implications of liberals shutting down State mental institutions, and “main streaming” paranoid schizophrenics. Rather than focusing on the Civil Rights of paranoid schizophrenics, we should concentrate on separating them from the rest of us. As it pertains to mental illness and violence, it is axiomatic that Past Behavior is Prologue to Future Behavior. Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, the Ft. Hood shooter, the Va Tech shooter, Samuel Berkowitz, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy all had well understood, well documented histories of acting out rage, and had been variously caught numerous times torturing pets, smaller or weaker children, building and exploding pipe bombs, setting fires, possessing guns illegally, etc. None of them were held to account by parents, educators, courts or employers despite scores of contacts, and even arrests, by law enforcement, or conflict with people in positions of authority over their lives. This culture is so “Rights” based, and Responsibility Aversive, that is is utterly foreseeable that every few weeks, someone goes off. When they do, their acts are deified, the media coverage is saturation, scorched earth, social workers come out of the woodwork to “mend our community” and ‘process our emotions”, criminal defense lawyers dissemble with “developing brain” or “Twinky” defenses, plaintiff’s lawyers sue anyone with a pocket to “heal” victims with money…and the cycle repeats. We know who is unfit to live among us. At one time, we had involuntary civil commitment process with lawyers representing The People, the paranoid schizophrenic and a judge. Severely disturbed people like Berkowitz, Hinckley and Bundy were institutionalized, indefinitely, and medicated under supervision. Today, we place them in our kids’ schools, they act out, fail, become homeless, and live under our bridges. Their civil rights are intact, but the cost imposed on the rest of us becomes increasingly unbearable. Paranoid schizophrenics may only constitute 1% of the general population but 1% of 315 million is tens of thousands of psychos among us. We need to separate the unfit from the fit, for our own good. Rabid dogs are necessarily put down. So it was, and again should be, with deranged, walking time bombs. Hoping they’ll stop by their community social worker’s office for daily meds and group therapy once/week isn’t cutting it.

    • Bruce Nevin

      Aw c’mon. Lame argument. What’s a chain saw designed for? What’s an axe designed for? Sure, one  could use a book to bludgeon people, or stab them with a picket ripped from a fence. Any use of a gun other than to kill, or to practice & perfect one’s skill as though aiming to kill, is equally a misuse outside its design purpose.

      Education is an important topic. It broadens possibilities. The root of the problem with guns is fear. It constricts possibilities. Too many people have convinced their limbic system that they are cornered animals. It’s like the only thing there is to fear is the other guy’s fear, and what he’s liable to do about it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L23MMI7TC4NYYM3BEKY2K34OOY Vanna L

    “No mention of systemic and endemic factors, or of taking action to prevent this kind of tragedy in the future.”

    What? You want them to get SHOT? Because that’s what the slightest gesture toward stiffer gun regulations would lead to.

    The NRA and Tea Patsy gun-bunnies would come out of the woodwork, waving their precious penis facsimiles, squirting and spittling in childish rage, threatening a “Second Amendment solution.”

    Anyway, ain’t no fancy liberal eleetist stuff like “systemic and endemic factors,” whatever THAT means. Only two kindsa people got guns: bad people and the good people that will shoot ‘em down, yesirreebob they will you let me inna that theayter and I’ll tell you whut. “Make my day, punk–kapow!”

  • zabolots

     Gun laws don’t stop criminals from obtaining and using guns. For proof, just look at the city of Chicago. They have some of the strictest laws for handguns yet the south side of the city has devolved into a “war zone” as described by the police department.

    However, if just one member of the audience at the theater had a legally obtained/carried firearm, perhaps the number of dead/wounded would have been greatly reduced, as in the case shown here:

    • Soularddave

       We hear this every time. I get tired of the fantasy. There are holes in the “possible scenario”, such as …
      IF the good guy (or woman) was in the right corner of the theater.
      IF someone hadn’t gotten in the way.
      IF the good guy hadn’t been shot first.
      IF the bad guy wasn’t wearing body armor.
      If the good guy hadn’t left his piece in the glove box.
      IF the tear gas didn’t affect vision.

      Vigilantes think of themselves as heroes, but I fear the multitudes of well intentioned idiots more than I fear the very occasional mass murderer. It’s a matter of the probabilities.

      • zabolots

        Well here’s a probability for you: if nobody in the audience is able to defend themselves or others, there is a 100% chance that the occasional mass murderer is free to do as they please.

        • Russ Baker

           and if nobody had guns, like other “civilized” countries with almost no homicides at all, we wouldnt be discussing this, would we?

        • Earaches

          Sorry Russ, but as “Fast and Furious” proved, when Bad Guys don’t have guns your government will make sure they get them. Your fantasy of a society where bad guys don’t have access to guns is just that – a fantasy. And a dangerous one at that. This shooting wasn’t as much a gun problem as an anti-depressant problem, as I’m sure we’ll eventually see. I’m guessing this was done by a guy who snapped, not someone with a long standing mental problem.

  • Rickj3

    If  mass shootings were routine, you wouldn’t be writing about it.

    • Russ Baker

       Gun owners keep revealing their ignorance and lack of basic sense…and THATS scary when they want us to trust their ability to make good choices with weapons. Mass shootings are in the news all the time–so much so that one elects NOT to write about all of them. in fact, the article mentioned another one that had just happened beforehand, so….please bother to read before you…fire.

  • Davemarcais

    Don’t ever forget that without the privately owned firearm, a descendant of King George would be our daddy. Not that what we have now is a shining example of ‘better’, but that is a gripe session needing much more air to vent to. I love the ideas the Swiss have with respect to gun ownership, take a look at how they and the bottom up form of govt they exercise do things. If we still had sovereign states as originally intended, this would be much easier to achieve…

    • Russ Baker

       Swiss people are nothing like Americans in any respect, nor is their society. You could give every Swiss a pile of machine guns, and call their mama names and no one would fire a shot. I suspect gun owners are a disproportionate share of the large percentage of Americans who do not even have a passport.

      • Davemarcais

        Gun ownership and passports. As I try to avoid logical fallacies, yer just goona havta splain that to this boogerpickin, passport holdin gun owner. Sure it’ll be a hoot!

    • Bruce Nevin

      The shot heard round the world was fired because the Brits were trying to capture the armory there. Think about that. Not to capture the odd musket hanging on the wall in this cabin or that farmhouse, but an armory.

  • Davemarcais

    I suspect many things, Russ, but my beliefs are often times in conflict with that idea called the painful truth. Whatever your personal convictions might be, they should never violate anyone else’s right to have their own as well. The dramatic effect of tragedy has and will always be used to supplant a controlling minority view over a subjected majority. You write of these things often, and well I might add, but this issue will never be resolved with more govt control, regulation, and legislation. History, especially in broad terms, verifies this as more than belief. Having been around more than a few years now, a basic truth I see as undeniable is that you cannot legislate charity or morality. These things come from civil order, or as us Jesus freaks say, from our hearts. When those we elect to govern and unite us do the exact opposite at every turn, well, we are seeing what happens. Love your work, please keep it rolling

  • Davemarcais

    To expand on your response, Montanans are nothing like Minnesotans are nothing like New Yorkers are nothing like Arizonans etc…. My point, sovereign states as originally intended.

    • Russ Baker

       That is hardly true that the differences between Americans are comparable to those between Americans and Swiss. We are formed by our culture, which is largely shaped by our media, including television and movies, and our preferred Internet sites. Swiss receive largely different information from Americans, because of language, and by choice. Also, you don’t see Swiss people running around waving the Swiss flag in everyone’s face and insisting their country is superior to all others. You don’t see military might celebrated at every turn. We are, unfortunately, not just a fairly young country–we are in many ways a very juvenile country. No dispute that mature, thoughtful, in-control, individuals can have a gun their whole lives and never use it or think of using it. Unfortunately, we are a violent, angry, ill-educated, knee-jerk country in many respects. Violence lurks everywhere. Many of us are in fear of our fellow Americans–and I’m not just talking about “criminals.” Even the language one sees on political Web postings–the threats and the bile–tell a lot. It is not safe for any of us that such people in our midst have guns.

      • Davemarcais

        I completely agree that our country has a misplaced love affair with the flag and with our military. I also agree, sadly, that our culture has been shaped by being the global bully, which I pray more people are waking up to the truth behind that fact. However, I think the similarities between people from, say, Montana or Wyoming, and the Swiss would be striking. This is possible by the ‘off the grid’ mentality they enjoy, low population density, and most important, minimal govt intrusion in everyday life. They don’t want or need the govt, they recognize that they ultimately ARE the govt. A similar ‘bottom up’ approach. As for being a mature country, there is a reason they call it the ‘nanny’ state. I would say we were much more mature as a country when we weren’t so ‘well taken care of’(sarc). It would be a monumental improvement if we were actually allowed to grow up as a nation. The answer to that is less govt, not more

      • KGB

        The solution then is a better educated and informed populace, not the removals of guns… All you have in doing that is ignorant people irrespective.

      • jimmmmmy

        I believe the US is currently the oldest existing republic. Dating from 1776. In regards to sexuality and violence it is indeed juvenile. The cause this is obvious, religious mania, poor healthcare, and lousy educational standards which have been left to the states.

  • Jmuessig muessig

    throuout these postings, not a single person has discussed his obviously deeply disturbed mind and his lack of prior mental health tratment. in retrospect it is simple to see signs and symptoms that could portend this heinous act. the problem is once again the inability to seperate a seriously mentally disturbed person from purchasing these weapons. obviously, his rage was deep and caused decompensation . no one recognized this? his mother, allergedly a nurse said you have the right person. obviously she among others knew of his blosoming  pathology. only when these people receive the appropiate and necessary psychiatric care can these events even begin to be dealt with. another case where ignoring the paradigm of yes i am my brothers keeper results in these hoffic events. not an easy solution ,but a necessary one.

    • Earaches

      What evidence do you have that he had a long standing mental health problem? I haven’t heard any reports about this at all. Also, as the family representative has explained, when his mom said “you have the right person” she was talking about herself, not her son – a grave mistake made by the reporting of ABC.

  • Pierre Adler

    Recommended reading on this subject:
    Mark Ames, “Going Postal: Rage, Murder, and Rebellion: From Reagan’s Workplaces to Clinton’s Columbine and Beyond” (2005).

    For an interview of the author, see: http://www.abebooks.com/docs/authors-corner/mark-ames.shtml

  • sfulmer

    Some of my friends were discussing the odd fact that the Aurora shooter still lives.  The police had guns, but didn’t fire them, a fact that doesn’t completely fit with the “guns would have prevented this” mindset.  No thoughts on this in the media so far.  Just for kicks, go to a community of black and brown people and ask how many times an innocent was gunned down by police, such “mistaken” use of force was justified, and media were incurious.  Anyone know what the demographics of Aurora are, and where the shooter was from?  

    • Russ Baker

       Ditto Jared Loughner….

  • ts_3000

    A good source of in-depth analysis of the facts and witness accounts.

    http://www.corbettreport.com/corbett-report-radio-181-dark-knight-rising-with-jon-rappoport/

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZY3V7P5CLRKQEEFYMLUKP52TWA Cb Eli

    Russ, one thing I’m wondering about: I, like many others, watched live coverage of the aftermath of Aurora, and they were interviewing a young woman, who was very close to the action. She said that she heard a beeping, and saw a man take a phone call on his cell phone. She then saw the man get up and walk out through an exit door, presumably to take the phone call. She then saw a man walk in through the same exit door, throw a smoke bomb, then the shooting began. I know what I saw and heard on t.v. , but there hasn’t been a shred of comment from the police on whether there might be an accomplice. Keep in mind that the exit doors on theaters are almost always designed to lock after you walk through the door, which leads to the possibility that the man with the phone blocked the door so it wouldn’t lock and let Holmes in. Of course, the man with the phone could be Holmes, but he would have to go out, change into all of his gear, pick up his ammo and guns, which would probably take more time than the short interval the woman described. Also keep in mind Columbine, and Russ Kick’s articles in his “Everything You Know Is Wrong” books, where he maintains that there are over a dozen witnesses that claim there were more than 2 shooters, and one witness said a shooter was the son of a county sheriff. There are dozens of theories about that of course, some far-out concerning mind control plots overseen by the evil Coors brewing company and their high-tech ceramics factories, but one fact is clear, and that is that the local sheriff’s department involved with Columbine has closed ranks and won’t provide important information (probably on how they screwed up) on the whole event to this day. We need to demand more answers about both of these shooting sprees.

    • Kusokurae

       Exactly. I think just about everybody is missing the point here with all this talk about gun control (which is precisely what we’re being corralled into talking about). We see what’s shown on TV, and without really thinking, we accept that as the whole story when in fact, none of us were there and none of us really know what happened. Russ ought to be trying to get to the bottom of the “who, what, why” of this situation. Having studied the JFK murder and other such situations in depth, Russ, of all people, should know that there’s no such thing as a lone nut. How did a young unemployed guy get thousands of dollars-worth of weapons and armor? How did he get the materials and know-how to build complicated booby-trap bombs that took the FBI two days to defuse?

      • flotsam

        Er… It has been plainly quite plainly stated that Mr. Holmes was the recipient of grant/scholarship funds — which can commonly come in packages ranging in the tens of thousands of dollars. The few weapons this man used would cost only a small fraction of that. As well, note that he was a grad student in neuroscience, not business. At one time, we could be proud that all of our science-oriented graduate students would be able to devise complex chemical reactions and mechanical devices, combined into useful things. While we cannot be proud of the ends to which Mr. Holmes turned his abilities, we really should not have to question how he was able to build complicated booby-traps — he is well-educated, and smart. Booby-traps and IEDs are some of the few things (other than concrete barriers) I know of that are much harder to destroy than to build. Or rather, take much more time to safely destroy, than they do to safely construct.

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  • ADCuthbertson

    An interesting look at how the media reports such tragedies by Guardian journalist Charlie Brooker (from 3 years ago):
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4 

  • BillWilt

    I just finished reading “Glock, The Rise of America’s [Semi-automatic pistol," by Paul M. Barrett, of Bloomburg Business Week (when the the mayor buy that McGraw-Hill thing?), which came out in early 2012--this year. I've abbreviated/snipped where I can. You can find most of the text in the Amazon entry.
     page 254: Starting in the early 1960s, crime levels began increasing after a long period of stability. Criminologists generally attribute tis trend to a combination of demography (rebellious baby boomers hitting prime crime-committing years), sociology (waves of heroin- and, later, cocaine-related criminality (255) and racially tinged history (urban riots in the late 1960s, followed by years of decay in inner cities). In the 1960s and 1970s, as crime proliferated, US prison capacity was shrinking, and tens of thousands of patients in state mental hospitals were "deinstitutionalized" w/o adequate arrangements made for their supervision. Some big-city PDs threw up their hands and stopped enforcing minor infractions aggravating a sense of lawlessness in less-well-off neighborhoods.    Then, after rising from roughly 1963 through 1993, crime began to drop off. In 1993, there were 9.5 murders and non-negligent manslaughters per 100,000 inhabitants, acc. to the FBI's annual...Crime in the United States. By 2009, the most recent full year for which statistics [etc.], that rate had fallen 47 %, to 5 per 100,000. As a large subset of violent crime, offenses committed with firearms also fell sharply. Cities, in short, became safer. The reasons are a matter of dispute [the range set out]… But the best nonpartisan scholarship on the effect of more permissive carry laws concludes that there is sparse evidence that the statutory changes [magazine size, cooling off period, etc] have had much impact one way or the other.
         Liberal advocates such as Dennis Henigan of the brady center to prevent gun violence (fka Handgun
    [255]Control, Inc) attribute some of the easing of crime levels–snip–to {POP} bkgnd chks & the assault weapons ban. … snip

    256–”A dirty little secret of the criminological profession is that the experts cannot account for why murder and rape have waned to the degree they have. ‘If I could predict the crime rate, I would become a stockbroker,’ barry krisbert, pres nat cncl on crime & delinq admitted in 2009. 
    snip
    the total # of guns in private hands in the US is at an all-time high (this from 210), yet violent crime is back down to where it was in the early 1970, before most of the modern spike. The murder rate is even lower—down to the rate of the early 1960s.
    [pg260 ] (Glock-specific supportive info)…In 2002, Time obtained a BATF study of 88,570 guns recovered from crime scenes in 46 cities in 2000. # 1 on the top 10 list was S&W .38-caliber revolver. The next four were pistols mfgd by Ruger, Lorcin and Raven Arms, and a Mossberg 12-guage shotgun. Glock did not appear on the list at all.”

    Interesting take(s) on why the gun-ban/control folks don’t get a band wagon rolling to ban guns when there are mass shootings and elevated appeals/efforts to ban handguns: Every time there is such an event, politicians of various stripes and the gun control advocates do their knee-jerk thing, which triggers more contributions to the NRA and more people buying Glock’s, etc., fearing that the gun control folks might get the votes to ban personal weapons.– So the result of mass shootings is that folks buy more handguns. (paraphrasing–too lazy to go back thru the pages of a libe book one’s not spozed to mark up):

     The one thing Americans seem deeply to believe is that if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

    Another faction, the conspiratorial conspiracy theorists, worry that the outlaws will actually be our own government, given all the legislation and presidential directives and military manuals on the establishment of US concentration camps for unruly citizens  in the past 12 years. 

    Their concern is indeed that , if guns are outlawed (and/or confiscated, as in the UK), guns will be exclusively in the hands of governments (or our very own government) that make kill lists and implement them, repeal Posse Comitatus, ignore anti-torture statutes that “are the Supreme Law of the Land”, suspend the Writ of Habeas Corpus, ignore the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and install (as of 2002, the latest date for which figures have been pried out of the cool hands of very brave whistleblowers and a mere handful of courageous reporters) wiretaps on every single communication line in the US of A.  (see Bamford’s latest article in WIRED mag, for April, I think–cover story). These are warrant-free, law-free, constitution-free wiretaps (google “splitter boxes” and Narus, and NSA., and follow the trail yourself.)

         And what about the Banksters? The Shadow Government? The theft of all the gold in Ft. Knox?  It’s always about the money and power, stupidoes.   Also, I dare you to watch a month’s-worth of all  the steamy movies you can find from Europe and points east (“the sex machine”–Korean or Japanese, I’m too iggerunt to distinguish–a total howl)–also “going places” w/ Gérard Dépardieu & Miou Miou–and you might, combined with some of our astounding US Budget figures (like 57% of the federal budget goes for military expense; and the US probably has the highest “death count” in movies made in the USA, cartoons for kids, war-games on gaming computers for pre-teen and teen-aged males (and some females, but not a helluva lot–and many are as tubby as their gaming boyfriends) begin to think that Americans are prudish, sexually repressed “fighters, not lovers,” whereas the rest of the world is pretty much the opposite–w/ perhaps the exception of Russia, China and a few other totalitarian regimes supported by the US.

    If the anti-abortionistas, gun-controlistas, anti-pornistas, school voucheristas, small-governmentistas, pacifists, etc., were to join forces to cut the military budget by about 90%, increase the number of steamy sex scenes in US movies by 600%, decrease the body count in movies by a similar 600% (I’d change the movie and game rating system to one completely objective–number of frames showing osculation, number of frames showing pre-marital sexual interdigitation, number of rounds “fired” or “squibs triggered,” # of frames showing corpses, exsanguination, etc.  Seems like the majority of tv and movies in the US are astoundingly violent–perhaps because the war machine (Wehrmacht, auf Deutsch) wants to acculturate its potential labor pool—the army makes its own shoot-em-up video games, as well as cooperating w/ private games-makers. Or because the American culture supports certain parts of sex in it’s Sex Selling (that’d be mammaries and hips in females (lips too, just not those lips), tight pants in males. One could use more graphic terms, of course, but that might make Americans uncomfortable–much as I was made uncomfortable as a 36-year-old in France, visiting w/ friends near Tours years ago–the “weekend in the country” thing–when all of the distaff attendees at this remote place went about topless, from 6- year olds to 52-year-olds. The middle-range cohort, of course, would have knocked my socks off, had we not all been barefoot as well–and altogether, it was difficult for me to hold a conversation w/ les petite jeune fils(sp) face to face. The indigenous natives and ex-pats, whether arrow or cross, who’d been en Francais for a decade or so had absolutely no problems. And I’d been married for 10 years and had a seven-yr-old daughter. ‘Twas a culture clash,

    One could go so far as to say that the complete objectification, of female body parts and criminalization of nudity and various practices from the Kama Sutra, free or for sale in the US is not a Puritan hangover (or a new wave of Muslims), but rather a psy-ops/marketing-ops thing, overt or covert, 

    In fact, given that men respond to visual stimuli to a far greater extent than do women, wouldn’t it be useful for the war machine to keep young males’ testosterone synthesis at a high level, with little possibility of dropping those levels except by performing violent activities–the fighter, not a lover (because lovers are illegal–if they’re too young, if they’re of the wrong sex, if they try to sell sex, if they try to control their reproductive processes, etc.).

    Bottom line: Sexual repression in the US has an important role in why the US is now the biggest terrorist government on the globe, in why the gummint, IMF, World Bank, central anks in all the countries figure, deep down, that they can take over any country, kill any person, any peoples, whether US citizens or not, steal any raw materials anyplace in the world (including in the US, via corporate welfare giveaways, like  to that Big Oil-Blackened Corporate Welfare Daddies being chauffeured to their Wall Street job in their ‘copter,  Rolls or Mercedes what’sit). And of course, blow 168 or 2,985 or 60 people to smithereens in order to furnish the “correct level of panic” for the industrial-legislative-military-bankster-espionage complex to buffalo, bamboozle, stampede a complaisant congress and even more complaisant citizenry into giving up our  Constitution, “just a damned piece of paper,” as George the Second put it. Soon enough there’ll be no way to “secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity” because Liberty, and Life, will have gone. No way to “promote the general Welfare,” because we’ve been reduced to 4th-world status–”blown back to the Stone age” by our unconstitutional government. No longer will there be any pretense of “provid[ing] for the common defense,” ‘cuz the military is now the Schutzstaffel–the SS of yore; to “insure domestic Tranquility,” all dissidents will be killed or incarcerated in FEMA (or Heimats Versicherheits Abteilung–”homeland” “security” “dept.”) concentration camps–with new and far better ways of killing folks than old, slow 6-hour-or-more “ovens”  (and you still had to crush the large bones–femur, hips, tibia, scapulae and skull, etc.). It will be Martial Justice that is established, under Martial Law. And the “more perfect Union” will have been dissolved, under the new Plutocracy–unless the states, and the people begin to exercise all of their rights and powers, the enumerated and unenumerated “rights retained by the people,” and the “powers not prohibited to it by the Constitution, reserved to the States or to the People.  (Preamble, 9th & 10th Amendments).

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  • Scott

    I would like to see you investigate the MSM reporters of this story, and where they are getting their information about the incident, just as you question the reporting about questionable massacres and uprisings in other countries.

    The first report I saw about the shootings – I believe it was an AP story  posted on Yahoo! News – said in the first sentence that “a lone gunman” went on a rampage in a movie theatre. That word choice alone, used with such confidence when details of the story were so sketchy, raised my alarm bells.

    What has also alarmed me is the way the “reporting” is so emotionally manipulative – focusing on tales of heroic men saving women and babies, of a father weeping in his search for a lost son, etc. Everything that emerges about James Holmes reads like information spoon-fed to the media by the government.

    I dislike indulging in complex conspiracy theories; people who do seem often seem to play a game that feeds their own egos in exactly the same way that lifestyle liberalism, fundamental religiosity and bullying nationalism feed the egos of their practitioners. But as this story continues to unfold, I hope those at WhoWhatWhy will at least be open to possible similarities between Holmes and such questionable  killers and would-be killers as Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, et. al. Please also consider how events like this, whether staged or not, could be publicized to serve the interests of our growing corporate-funded prisons and labor camps. 

    It sounds tin-foil hat crazy to suspect that the “Batman Shooting” is a psy-op, I know – and I haven’t definitively reached that conclusion. But I’ve learned to be skeptical of the veracity of EVERY story reported by the MSM – even moreso after reading Mr. Baker’s book on the Bush family. 

    • Soularddave

       I agree, Scott, we need an investigative reporter to go back through the various reports and interview the several reporters that have details not already corroborated by others, and check with the sources of their reports for additional information. This could take a few people working together.

      At this point, I’d label all of the reportage as “sketchy”. Such an effort would put all reporters on notice that their work may be fact checked for accuracy. This needs to be done, more and more, by independent reporters.

      This brings me to the sticky subject of funding such independent journalism. We need to get behind an effort to fund this site, as well as other reporters we trust. Whole lots of leads may be generated by open source research, we need to be able to dig deeper. Russ has demonstrated his intention to do just that, but we can’t tell him to just go out and get a job to fund himself.

      What can we do here?

      • Scott

        “Soulardave,” my personal answer to your question, at the moment, is  “nothing,” because I’m broke.

        The larger question is one of funding “reporters we trust.” I understand that mainstream news organizations are not interested in paying journalists to do serious investigations of government corruption. To be profitable, news organizations need to cater to demographics and follow narratives and worldviews that pander to those demographics. 

        Unfortunately, it seems that investigative “truth-to-power” news can, as a marketable niche, be just as cynical – and ultimately just as useful to those in power – as “liberal” or “conservative” or “centrist” or “bat-turd crazy” news. Michael Moore and Alex Jones are just a couple of successful truth-hawks who get a little bit of truth out there, but wrap it in self-aggrandizement and dishonesty. They play on their audience’s mistrust of government and create, among their followers, a kind of “truth dependency” … even as they discredit the truths they speak with lies of omission or commission. When “truth” becomes a marketing brand, it becomes yet another tool of the deep misinformation game that the very smart people running our country play.

        Do I think Russ Baker falls into that category? I don’t know. If so, he has a lot more credibility as a journalist than Moore or Jones. There are times – in his 9/11 and even his Syria reporting – where I wonder if his revelations are deliberately diverting attention from far more alarming and really central revelations vis a vis our government’s complete subservience to Israel … but I also understand that talking openly about that without being labeled a deranged anti-Semite is extremely difficult, if not impossible. 

        This brings me to my problem with commercializing truth: Whose truth? Which truth? How much truth? Truth toward what end? Truth serving which agenda? 

        These are questions and concerns I have, to which I haven’t figured out any answers. I can say, however, that I respect Russ Baker and have, in my small way, supported him financially by purchasing his book on Bush. I’ll continue to read him and, as I have the money, continue to buy his books. But sign up for regular payments for his version of the “truth?” Even if I had the money to spare, I would have qualms about that.

        Do these questions or qualms sound reasonable? What do you think?

    • Citizen

       There are some people on this. Jon Rappaport at http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/batman-the-blood-trail-the-neck-wound-and-the-2nd-gas-mask/ has outlined some of the anomalies and obvious questions around the evidence available so far.

      Scott Creighton has dug a little deeper to provide some provocative analysis at http://willyloman.wordpress.com/

      We definitely need to keep our eyes on this ball. Russ?

       

  • metalious

    I hate guns. As far as I see, they have only one purpose, to kill. And I very much do not believe in killing. Seriously, they give me the creeps.

    But how naive does one have to be to think that the US is immune from the same kind of totalitarian control that, say, the Germans suffered under the Nazis or the Chileans suffered under Pinochet?

    Silly Americans. We really do think it can’t happen here, even after it’s already happened. Domestic drones? Free speech zones? Just yesterday, the police assaulted a bunch of protestors – again.

    The idea that the Swiss are somehow fundamentally different from Americans is both elitist and misguided, to put it nicely. The difference between the Swiss and us a A, their government doesn’t treat them like the enemy, B, they all get a fair share of the pie which creates a much more stable society, and C, they are not the subjects of a constant attack by their oligarchy whose primary weapon is (misinform, inflame, divide, and conquer) a TV set.

    You could turn the Swiss into raving sociopaths too if you put them through what Americans endure. In one generation.

    Don’t get me wrong, I am the last to advocate any kind of violent response to the assault on our people by the forces of assholedom that is the United States of Wall Street. A lot of that post 911 money is being spent to make such a response extremely dangerous – disastrous. Iraq has been a laboratory for armed uprising suppression. We wouldn’t stand a chance.

    But I do find it comforting to think of all those hundreds of millions of loaded guns under the pillows of ignorant rednecks whenever I extrapolate the rise of the corporate security state. It definitely offers a deterrent.

    Gun violence is a symptom of a sick society. The cure for that sickness is money spread around in the form of jobs. It’s money spread around in the form of universal healthcare, including mental health care. It’s money spread around in the form of higher education for all, and enough teachers per student to actually be effective.

    The correlation between all of our social ills and poverty cannot be denied. They’ve turned us into a society of rats, racing for scraps. And they’ve brainwashed us so well that we don’t even remember how easy the solution is. Which leads to my last point here:

    We need to take back our publicly owned airwaves and stop allowing them to be used as weapons against us. We own the airwaves that Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity spew hatred and lies from every day. How the fuck did that happen?

    It happened because when they told us we couldn’t be trusted with the kind of self-governance the Founders handed us, we believed them.

  • Jackblood

    no thanks – I choose NOT to be a sitting duck for criminals, and Tyrants! If its gonna be me or you… I prefer its YOU! Of course violence is not the answer, but sometimes mutually assured destruction is as close as we get to peace. Until a MAJOR shift of consciousness happens on this earth, that is the way it is. BTW: 1) Killing innocent civilians with drones should not be equated to self reliant protection with Firearms. and 2) Aurora was a PSY OP! Phoenix Program come home… as in “Batman Rises” (see our info at http://www.deadlinelive.info)

  • willw

    what do you mean we’re not doing anything? last I heard gun sales are up 40%. Problem solved! (this is not sarcasm)
     

    • http://www.facebook.com/ThePreambleProject Bill Wilt

      Well, that may be true, but think for a moment about the ongoing research/development/deployment of “non-lethal” or “only partly lethal” crowd control weapons, like microwave “cannons,” or sub-sonic/super-sonic noise cannons. And I still remember the icicle pistol demonstrated (or brandished?) at the [Frank] Church hearings. I can imagine dry-ice buckshot, or liquid nitrogen “squirt-guns”.  I don’t see any word of this stuff being deployed in war zones. Rather, they’re part of the new, posse comitatus-defying NORTHCOM, the military battle theater formerly known as the United States of Amercia (Mitt’s spelling), or the Melting Pot, or Our Nation, our Country. (Definitely NOT Der Heimatsland or Der Vaterland.)  Reminds me: anyone know the first use of “homeland” to describe the USA?

  • Phineas & Ferb

    “No mention of whether the teacher is supposed to be armed…when a nut walks into a preschool and starts firing away.” — Would you care to provide one example of this happening. Many preschools and daycares are in peoples homes, and so there are likely personal protection weapons there.

    How are you going to stop someone who commits 17 murders and 50++ murder attempts, KNOWING that he will probably get the death sentence? This guy booby trapped his apartment, and so likely would have just blown up the theater if he couldn’t get a gun.

    This shooting reeks of conspiracy. He wanted to kill but he passed up two chances to kill a lot of police officers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bruce.e.nevin Bruce E Nevin


    the accuracy rate for New York City officers firing in the line of duty was 34 percent.
    And these are people trained for this kind of crisis. The moral is that if a lunatic starts shooting, you will not be made safer if your fellow average citizens are carrying concealed weapons.” (NYT:
    http://tinyurl.com/8wv8mx4)

    Think about that. Trained professional police officers, and 66% of their shots went somewhere other than they intended.

  • loudobbs

    I don’t trust any news source, because none of them have made the obvious link between the shooters and the TIs. I’d like to see just 1 news site that tells the truth. Any TI knkows these shooters are trying to put a message out to all those damned citizen spies out there, that this harrassment is wrong & the world will one day know. How do all you news-sites keep quiet about the obvious link? Are you immune? Trying to appear credible? Not to me., not until you tell the full truth.

    • soularddave

      sorry, but I’m missing your point. Please tell me what a “TI” is. I don’t seem to be getting it from the context.

  • bh

    Highly recommend Common Sense with Dan Carlin episode 234 – Aiming for Effectiveness. Should infuriate the gun-nuts and the anti-gun folks, alike. Though it’s thought-provoking all the same. http://www.dancarlin.com/disp.php/csarchive/Show-234—Aiming-for-Effectiveness/guns-shootings-firearms

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