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Saudi Royal Ties to 9/11 Hijackers Via Florida Saudi Family?

Hijackers

WhoWhatWhy has found evidence linking the Saudi royal family to Saudis in South Florida who reportedly had direct contact with the 9/11 hijackers before fleeing the United States just prior to the attacks. Our report connects some of the dots first laid out by investigative author Anthony Summers and Florida-based journalist Dan Christensen in articles jointly published in the Miami Herald and on the nonprofit news site BrowardBulldog.org.

In early September of this year, Summers and Christensen reported that a secret FBI probe, never shared with Congressional investigators or the presidential 9/11 commission, had uncovered information indicating the possibility of support for the hijackers from previously unknown confederates in the United States during 2001.

Now WhoWhatWhy reveals that those alleged confederates were closely tied to influential members of the Saudi ruling elite.

The House

As reported in the Herald, phone records documented communication, dating back more than a year, that connected a Saudi family then living in a house near Sarasota, Florida, with the alleged plot leader, Mohammed Atta, and his hijack pilots—as well as to eleven of the other hijackers. In addition, records from the guard house at the gated community tied Atta’s vehicle and his accomplice Ziad Jarrah to actual visits to the house.  Although requiring further investigation, this information suggests that the house may have functioned as an operational base for the hijackers.

According to interviews and records examined by The Herald, Anoud and Abdulazzi al-Hiijjii and their young twins abruptly departed their home in Sarasota only days before September 11, 2001 and traveled to Arlington, Virginia, where they stayed briefly at another house owned by Anoud’s father, Esam Ghazzawi.

Then, still well before 9/11, the entire group, now including the father, flew to London and on to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. The Sarasota house was sold in 2003, as was a penthouse apartment in another DC, suburb, Rosslyn, Virginia. The Ghazzawis do not seem to have set foot again in the United States.

New Revelations

Building on these revelations, WhoWhatWhy has found documents laying out the Ghazzawis’ royal connections through a nest of Saudi corporations that share the name EIRAD. Esam Ghazzawi is director of EIRAD Management Company, the UK division of EIRAD Trading and Contracting Co. Ltd., which among other things holds the Saudi franchise for many multinational brands, including UPS. Esam’s brother Mamdouh, whose name shows up on public records associated with family properties in the U.S., is the Executive Managing Director of the parent firm, EIRAD Holding Co. Ltd. EIRAD has connections to the US government via contracts. In 2008, records show, the State Department paid EIRAD $11,733 for rental of facilities, presumably in Saudi Arabia.

There is no indication that the company itself, or any of its officers or employees, have any connection to the 9/11 incident, or knowledge of anything regarding Mr. Ghazzawi’s activities in the United States.  Calls for comment to the company’s main switchboard went unanswered during normal business hours; its website was not functioning properly and Saudi trade officials in the United States had not furnished alternative contact information at publication time.

But the now-revealed link between the Ghazzawis and the highest ranks of the Saudi establishment reopens questions about the White House’s controversial approval for multiple charter flights allowing Saudi nationals to depart the U.S., beginning about 48 hours after the attacks, without the passengers being interviewed by law enforcement—despite the identification of the majority of the hijackers as Saudis.

In addition, the new revelations draw further attention to a web of relationships that include the long and close business, personal and political ties between the Bush family and the Saudi royal family.

Saudi money is woven throughout business ventures connected to the Bushes. Saudi funds even helped bail out George W. Bush’s failing oil company early in his life. Jim Bath, a close friend of Bush in the Texas Air National Guard, went on to start a business in conjunction with two sons of powerful Saudi families—Khalid bin Mahfouz, whose family provides banking services to the Saudi royals, and Salem bin Laden, heir to the bin Laden family’s global construction empire and a half brother to Osama bin Laden. (For a detailed probe of the Bush family’s dealings with the Saudis, including substantial previously unreported material, see my book, Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, America’s Invisible Government and the Hidden History of the Last Fifty Years.)

Details of The Herald’s Revelations

The Ghazzawi presence in the Sunshine State predated 9/11 by at least six years. In 1995 a young Saudi woman named Anoud Ghazzawi living in South Florida married a fellow Saudi native, Abdulazzi al-Hiijjii (English spellings of his first name and surname vary, as is typical of  Arabic names.) Anoud’s father, Esam, and his American-born wife Deborah bought the couple a stylish, three-bedroom house in a gated community in Sarasota. The house remained in the elder Ghazzawis’ names while the young couple lived there and began a family.

Six years later, less than two weeks before the 9/11 attacks, Anoud, Abdulazzi and their children left their home on or about August 30, 2001 in great haste, taking off in a white van. This was about the same time that the hijackers were purchasing their tickets for the targeted flights.

The family apparently left with no advance planning, leaving behind almost all their possessions, abandoning three recently registered vehicles, including a brand-new Chrysler PT Cruiser, in the garage and driveway. As the Herald article explained:

“there was mail on the table, dirty diapers in one of the bathrooms … all the toiletries still in place … all their clothes hanging in the closet … opulent furniture, equal or greater in value than the house … the pool running, with toys in it….The beds were made … fruit on the counter … the refrigerator full of food. … It was like they went grocery shopping. Like they went out to a movie … [But] the safe was open in the master bedroom, with nothing in it, not a paper clip. … A computer was still there. A computer plug in another room, and the line still there. Looked like they’d taken [another] computer and left the cord.”

After public disclosure of Saudi involvement in the 9/11 attacks, people in the gated community took note of the rushed departure and disappearance of the Ghazzawi-al-Hiijjiis. After all, the attackers were not just overwhelmingly of Saudi nationality, but three out of four of the future hijackers had lived and trained to fly in Venice, Florida, just 10 miles away from the house.

The complex’s security officer alerted the FBI, which began an investigation into the house at 4224 Escondito Circle. (In addition, a suspicious neighbor alerted the FBI by email on the day of the attacks.)

The Justice Department declined to give the Herald a statement, but, according to an unnamed senior counterterrorism officer who was one of two people who got into the house first and served as a key source for the paper, the investigation bore stunning fruit.

Ziad Jarrah

Phone records showed communication, dating back more than a year, that connected those in the house with the alleged plot leader, Mohammed Atta and his accomplices, including eleven of the other hijackers. Other records, kept by guards at the gated community, documented numerous visits to the house by a vehicle known to have been used by Atta, and indicated the physical presence in the car of Atta’s purported accomplice Ziad Jarrah. It appeared as if the Ghazzawi house was some kind of nerve center for the entire operation.

According to the senior counterterrorism officer, both Esam Ghazzawi and his son-in-law al-Hiijjii had been on a watch list at the FBI predating 9/11. An unnamed U.S. agency tracking terror funds had also taken an interest in them. “464 was Ghazzawi’s number,” the officer said. “I don’t remember the other man’s number.”

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  • Leveymg

    Thank you for that Russ –

    You did a nice job fleshing out the details of the initial connect-the-dots I did on 09/09 on the Ghazawwi-Salman connection at DailyKos.  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/09/09/1015098/-Florida-al-Qaeda-fugitive-Esam-Ghazzawi-linked-to-BCCI-and-two-dead-Saudi-Princes?showAll=yes&via=blog_620155

    Keep up the good reporting – you’re one of the last real investigative journalists who’s not afraid to put 2+2 together and get an accurate sum of the parts.

    Regards – Mark (leveymg) 

    • Bill

      Thanks for that reminder, Mark.  Interesting to consider what hasty departures may mean in another context.

      • Leveymg

        You mean as in hasty departures from the sky when Pakistani transport planes blow up?  That did not get much attention, nor did the premature departures of the Salman brothers.

        • Bill

          I’m thinking about whether there were any hasty departures of currency

        • Leveymg

          Would a pallet of $100s fit into a white van?  How much does one of those cubes of cash weigh, anyway?  Did anyone inspect or weigh the bags on that charter flight?  I wouldn’t be surprised about the answer.   Hmmm . . .  On a more serious note – seem to recall mention of an unusual flow through Florida banks in the months before 9/11?  Am I remembering that detail correctly?

        • Leveymg

          Would a pallet of $100s fit into a white van?  How much does one of those cubes of cash weigh, anyway?  Did anyone inspect or weigh the bags on that charter flight?  I wouldn’t be surprised about the answer.   Hmmm . . .  On a more serious note – seem to recall mention of an unusual flow through Florida banks in the months before 9/11?  Am I remembering that detail correctly?

        • Leveymg

          Would a pallet of $100s fit into a white van?  How much does one of those cubes of cash weigh, anyway?  Did anyone inspect or weigh the bags on that charter flight?  I wouldn’t be surprised about the answer.   Hmmm . . .  On a more serious note – seem to recall mention of an unusual flow through Florida banks in the months before 9/11?  Am I remembering that detail correctly?

  • Bradleygordon

    Incredible.  And yet, too few follow this important reporting and investigative journalism.   But of course millions will facebook and twitter about a kitty video while they claim to care about important events like 9/11.  When will the mind waste cease?  When will Americans regain the intelligent fact based mindset that gets to the real heart of the matter instead of blindly receives soundbites as truth?  We need to call on our leaders to pursue the truth about this tragic event.

    • Chascarreon

      Ironically, mass unemployment seems to have anaesthetized the masses, who are ever more on the govt dole and occupied with trivia, afraid to think deeply, lest they wake from their Good American fantasy.

      • I10consulting

        As I’d like to call, ” September 11th Slumber “.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=774974185 Pat Tibbs

    Russ, this is just the sort of reporting we want from our media sources. Keep up the good work and I will support WhoWhatWhy.

  • PB

    They are a bit like that de Mohrenschild guy???

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000549562541 Doug Vaughan

    Russ, re: saudi ambassador to US al-Hegelan 1979-83 — You rightly note his role in lobbying for AWACS deal but that headline-generator was merely cover and a secondary pay-off for the bigger deal that was on the table, and which successor Bandar assumed at key juncture: Recall that Nixon-Kissinger with both Saudi and Israeli blessing famously “tilted” to Pakistani military dictator and Islamic fundamentalist Zia al-Haq, who used BCCI as conduit for ISI’s work on Green Bomb and organized right-wing militias to meddle in Afghanistan, provoking Soviet aid to Afghan regime. Carter-Brzezinski used these networks to ratchet up attacks, provoking Soviet military intervention, then escalated in response thereto. Reagan-Bush took this another step, using same networks and conduits to assemble anti-soviet alliance of Pakistani, Saudi, Turk, even Chinese and Israeli, military and intelligence apparati in coordinated attack in which Saudis played key role in recruiting and funding “Afghan Arabs” including bin Laden via Peshawar. They and Pak ISI always had cat’s paws in this many-sided version of the Great game. This was the huge multinational, imperial, bipartisan contra war that underlay cover-ups and which Dems refused to touch in overlapping October Surprise, Iran-contra, BCCI investigations. This laid basis not only for post-Soviet ISI-Taliban-al Qaeda alliance but for recruitment of long-term moles, sleepers, double-agents and false-flag operations at every turn, on every side — and for the on-going failure to investigate/ cover-up since 9/11, a sore point of swelling infection  that even insiders like Clarke, Graham et al are only tenderly touching lest they loose the whole pustulant mess into the body politic. (And please, I know that concision forces short-cuts but you must precisely spell out and pursue every alleged “link”, “connection” or “association” rather than invite inference or innuendo to fill in the evidentiary gaps in this otherwise good summary. )

  • Anonymous

    According to some sources, Al-Qaeda is really nothing but a database of the CIA-backed mujihadeen who fought the Soviets in Afghanistan (including Osama). Some turned their sights on the American presence in the region — useful idiots whose acts of terror have served to justify the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions and our “enduring” bases there. Like Emmanuel Goldstein in Orwell’s 1984, they are necessary legends for the imperial war project.

    The elite Saudis are full partners in this skullduggery, as are the Israelis, whose agents (the infamous “art student” squads) were shacked up close to and shadowing the alleged hijackers in Florida as well. Paralleling the Saudis hurried evacuation from Florida, we have Dominick Suter, of the Mossad front operation, Urban Moving Systems, fleeing NY a few days after 9/11, after his 5 agents were arrested for videotaping and celebrating the collapse of the Towers.

    Good spade work, Russ — but this pit runs deeper still.

  • Anonymous

    According to some sources, Al-Qaeda is really nothing but a database of the CIA-backed mujihadeen who fought the Soviets in Afghanistan (including Osama). Some turned their sights on the American presence in the region — useful idiots whose acts of terror have served to justify the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions and our “enduring” bases there. Like Emmanuel Goldstein in Orwell’s 1984, they are necessary legends for the imperial war project.

    The elite Saudis are full partners in this skullduggery, as are the Israelis, whose agents (the infamous “art student” squads) were shacked up close to and shadowing the alleged hijackers in Florida as well. Paralleling the Saudis hurried evacuation from Florida, we have Dominick Suter, of the Mossad front operation, Urban Moving Systems, fleeing NY a few days after 9/11, after his 5 agents were arrested for videotaping and celebrating the collapse of the Towers.

    Good spade work, Russ — but this pit runs deeper still.

    • Bbethany7

      The U.S. perpetrators of 9/11 recruited their Saudi pals to provide stooges to participate in the staged “exercises” wherein dupes were to pose as hijackers after having left a trail of clues which would later implicate them. Many of the passengers on the flights were insiders
      with top secret status. They were of course expendable. The perps were not on flight manifests, a deliberate cover in the operation.
      It was pulled off brilliantly, and not by a rogue Arab in a cave
      halfway around the globe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.cummings2 Richard Cummings

    Some years ago, when I was in Washington, I read in the Post that Prince Bandar’s son had been found dead in a town house.  No cause of death was given. I did not clip the article, and when I phoned the Post, they could not find the article and the Saudi embassy ducked and dodged.  These killings all have to do with rivalries among the Saudi royals.  Prince Pandar was angling to become Crown Prince so as to become king. Not long after the death of  his son, he withdrew as ambassador and returned to Saudi Arabia, out of the line of  succession. The Mafia has nothing on these guys.  You may recall that after  9/11, a wealthy Saudi prince offered money to the city but Giuliani turned him down.  That prince blamed American foreign policy for the 9/11 attack.  The Saudis are desperate to get a Palestinian state because of anger in the Arab street.  By supporting the  attacks,  they intended to force America to change its policy towards Israel and the Palestinians. 

    • Brenrod

      It is said that the same prince who offered the 10 mil to Guiliani helped finance Obama through harvard law school.

      • I10consulting

        And I am sure said Prince helped finance HARVARD.

  • Howard Beale

    Whew! The head spins as the tangled web is revealed. Seems that the Bush’s aren’t the only family with secrets. What about another book, Russ?

  • Barbh0203

    I remember watching some televised hearing when Richard Clarke said it was he who approved the Saudis flying off after 9/11. 
    On KPFA Guns and Butter yesterday, Bonnie Faulkner interviewed Kevin Ryan and there are a lot of interesting connections noted there.  It’s like Fletcher Prouty’s “Secret Team” is finally being exposed. I think the whole hideous plot is rapidly unraveling thanks to dedicated researchers like Russ Baker and Bonnie Faulkner.
    http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/73551

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  • http://faberglas.net Mark Corbett Wilson

    With the Toronto Hearings, Senator Graham’s questions, Lloyd’s dropping their lawsuit, and these new revelations about the sudden departure of a Saudi family days before 9/11, maybe enough political pressure will build for a new inquiry.

  • Ksc

    Why didn’t you report this:
    Eirad Holding is a Saudi company under the chairmanship of Prince Sultan bin Fahd bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz. Eirad owns, operates and sponsors many multinational companies in Saudi Arabia including, but not limited, to UPS (the world’s largest package distribution company and a world leader in supply chain solutions), TSA ( Security and Defense system integrators a joint venture of Northrop Grumman of the US) and Eirad Travel and Tourism sponsorship of Pakistan International Airline (PIA).

    • Anonymous

      Careless posters never cease to amaze! Article explicitly mentions the Prince (though you misstate his name here) AND EIRAD’s UPS contract. HInt: try reading the article before you criticize it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/willieplasencia Willie Plasencia

    FYI…

    Russ, a great new interview with  Graig B. Hulet on Coast to Coast about this is available. Talks about the Lloyds of London lawsuit against the Saudi’s and is    convinced that the Saudi’s backed the 9/11 operation. 

  • Anonymous

    I was wondering on what basis Lloyds of London was suing the Saudis for supporting 9/11 terrorists. This seems to be it.

  • Anonymous

    I was wondering on what basis Lloyds of London was suing the Saudis for supporting 9/11 terrorists. This seems to be it.

  • Regina

    And for this we invaded Afghanistan???  And then siphoned off support for our troops there in order to invade Iraq???  And all that without budgeting for these adventures?  So we can now go broke nationwide???   Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld et al belong in The Hague as war criminals.  Hordes have died for their oil connivances.

  • Regina

    And for this we invaded Afghanistan???  And then siphoned off support for our troops there in order to invade Iraq???  And all that without budgeting for these adventures?  So we can now go broke nationwide???   Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld et al belong in The Hague as war criminals.  Hordes have died for their oil connivances.

    • Chascarreon

      second the motion

    • http://profiles.google.com/postal67 Dennis Carr

      The fiscal cliff! For 4 years the damocraps have had a majority in the house lead by Nancy (pass the bill so that we may read it) Pelosi. Nothing has been done, except 9 trillion out of your pocket, must make you feel good at being in line to stone the United States to death with Zero O’Booboo laughing all the time about being born an American… Daddy Obama screwed a stupid broad in college and from that we all have to pay the price…. Remember Ms. Anne Dunham? Married Daddy in Feb and Zero was born in August, being only six months, that means Zero was a bastard for one third of his early life.. And an asshole since…

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Grotke/1033420387 Jeff Grotke

        hey doofus you are changing the subject

  • Regina

    And for this we invaded Afghanistan???  And then siphoned off support for our troops there in order to invade Iraq???  And all that without budgeting for these adventures?  So we can now go broke nationwide???   Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld et al belong in The Hague as war criminals.  Hordes have died for their oil connivances.

  • Bushmustgo

    Inside job, all the way.  What other reason would there be to hide the Saudi money trail ?

    They gave immunity to the Saudis before an investigation even started folks.

  • Bushmustgo

    Inside job, all the way.  What other reason would there be to hide the Saudi money trail ?

    They gave immunity to the Saudis before an investigation even started folks.

  • Bushmustgo

    Inside job, all the way.  What other reason would there be to hide the Saudi money trail ?

    They gave immunity to the Saudis before an investigation even started folks.

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  • Anonymous

    This is nothing but speculative…Anonymous ‘ said’ or suddenly new OLD info? nonsense….but somehow these ‘journalists’ got the FBI to give them information that  was so “secret” not even disclosed to the Investigatory commission….however, reliable sources tossed this latest fabrication out a while ago. 

    But there seems to be no inclination to actually re-open the investigation on the numerous explosions heard by first responders and several media people present who reported they heard  those unmistakeable sounds in all 3 buildings on that awful day….

    Investigating the ‘pattern’ of how 3 buildings designed to withstand 120 mph winds, and the direct impact of a 707 ….80,000 tons of steel framed buildings do not ‘melt’ and collapse within an hour, especially when they fall neatly into their own footprint…..kerosene/JP4 cannot “melt” steel as it burns at about 700 degrees but steel melts at 2700 degrees…and those JP4 fires burned themselves out in a rapid fireball, leaving only office paperwork to burn.   

    Then there is the incredible mystery of WTC #7, the THIRD tower…that was not hit….but it also sent out implosion sounds recorded that day…and those few small fires brought it down, also, about 5:30pm …very neatly as if it were a demolition…and for those who have seen it….Larry Silverstein who was the new owner of the WTC was recorded on news film saying “Pull it”….referring to the building.  
    The mystery of ‘who’ did it was immediately announced….the unsinged passport of one “highjacker” was found intact on the street when the two concrete and steel buildings were PULVERIZED to dust and steel IBeams were ejected at high speed across the street to an unrelated skyscraper. Evidence was immediately removed…sold to Chinese and Indian metal junk dealers and taken away….No forensic examinations…but everyone is content to accept the bs repeated. Now ten years later they’re working at incriminating another perfect target.  Now that OBL has been murdered instead of put on trial to ‘spill the beans’ of collaboration with CIA and implications….we gotta find another target…with money…so of course point it at the Saudis….isn’t that the perfect solution to our financial woes and solving inexplicable counter rational steel buildings that ‘disappear’…on cue. ?? 

    • William Bjornson

      Yes. A very basic principle in forensics is, I believe, cui bono. Who benefitted from 9/11? Show who benefitted and that is the direction we should look first. We invaded two countries in the wake of 9/11.Odd geopgraphical coincidence places them either side of our REAL target. Tell me again, who is the main benefitee of the destruction of our REAL target? Was ObL EVER wanted by the FBI for WTC? And how did the Saudis get the WTC security company (owned by who?) or the WTC electrical upgrade company (weeks before 9/11, core access, no security cameras, owned by who?) to allow them to place demolition charges throughout the three buildings  so the WTC (owned by who?) could be “pulled” and come down in free fall? LOOK! A SQUIRREL!

    • William Bjornson

      Yes. A very basic principle in forensics is, I believe, cui bono. Who benefitted from 9/11? Show who benefitted and that is the direction we should look first. We invaded two countries in the wake of 9/11.Odd geopgraphical coincidence places them either side of our REAL target. Tell me again, who is the main benefitee of the destruction of our REAL target? Was ObL EVER wanted by the FBI for WTC? And how did the Saudis get the WTC security company (owned by who?) or the WTC electrical upgrade company (weeks before 9/11, core access, no security cameras, owned by who?) to allow them to place demolition charges throughout the three buildings  so the WTC (owned by who?) could be “pulled” and come down in free fall? LOOK! A SQUIRREL!

    • William Bjornson

      Yes. A very basic principle in forensics is, I believe, cui bono. Who benefitted from 9/11? Show who benefitted and that is the direction we should look first. We invaded two countries in the wake of 9/11.Odd geopgraphical coincidence places them either side of our REAL target. Tell me again, who is the main benefitee of the destruction of our REAL target? Was ObL EVER wanted by the FBI for WTC? And how did the Saudis get the WTC security company (owned by who?) or the WTC electrical upgrade company (weeks before 9/11, core access, no security cameras, owned by who?) to allow them to place demolition charges throughout the three buildings  so the WTC (owned by who?) could be “pulled” and come down in free fall? LOOK! A SQUIRREL!

    • http://profiles.google.com/postal67 Dennis Carr

      “Investigating the ‘pattern’ of how 3 buildings designed to withstand 120 mph winds, and the direct impact of a 707 ….80,000 tons of steel framed buildings do not ‘melt’ and collapse within an hour, especially when they fall neatly into their own footprint…..kerosene/JP4 cannot “melt” steel as it burns at about 700 degrees but steel melts at 2700 degrees…and those JP4 fires burned themselves out in a rapid fireball, leaving only office paperwork to burn. ”
      And this is were you start your own “guess” and that is all it is… The full face of a building, even one built by a Japanese Designer is designed to meet the force of 120 mile wind, yes, you got that right.. However using the words “steel framed” is the exact reason for this being WRONG.. You are misdirecting people, It did not have the usual steel framing floor to floor, it was a heat tube.. Sure steel melts at 2700, but were you in they with your oven thermometer to check it? NO! ONLY paperwork? RIGHT.. There was no plastic, no covering of wires, no other source of hydrocarbons? BS… You make out that it was a campfire made by boy scouts.. Next you’ll say there is no Santa Claus…….geez

      • http://www.facebook.com/bruce.bethany Bruce Bethany

        I saw people in tower #1 standing fully clothed in blown out windows waving desperately for help. Could they endure 3000 degrees F. ? Or even 300? Black smoke showed a dying air-starved fire. The buildings were wired weeks in advance with thermite explosives sufficient to bring them down.

      • http://httprussianfreedomforumlefora.com/ shablon

        Nonsense! I studied metalurgy at the Necwaste smelter. If you dropped one of those girders into the high furnace, most of it will still be there when you come back in the morning. Recently there was a building in Chechnya that burned for more than a day non stop. It still stands, the steel structure that is. Google it up and see.

    • Max Derpin

      “kerosene/JP4 cannot “melt” steel as it burns at about 700 degrees but steel melts at 2700 degrees”…

      but in order to lose its structural properties, steel does not need to be “melted” into a liquid, even at 500 degrees steel trusses lose stencil strength. this could be a very bad design, but it can possibly we verified by the support column blueprints.

      • Bbethany7

        WTC buildings 1&2 were exploded into trillions of minute particles of dust. vanishing in 10 seconds. I witnessed and photographed it as it occurred.
        The scenario of a “collapse” defies the laws of physics and chemistry. Even firefighters described many explosions prior to and during the event. The free fall of WTC7 was clearly a planned demolition by explosives. Definitely.

  • Scttpscott

    It’s a big rock keep looking under it and the snake will rattle for you.

  • Mark Corbett Wilson

    With the Toronto Hearings, Senator Graham’s questions, Lloyd’s dropping their lawsuit, and these new revelations about the sudden departure of a Saudi family days before 9/11, maybe enough political pressure will build for a new inquiry.

  • Mark Corbett Wilson

    With the Toronto Hearings, Senator Graham’s questions, Lloyd’s dropping their lawsuit, and these new revelations about the sudden departure of a Saudi family days before 9/11, maybe enough political pressure will build for a new inquiry.

  • Mark Corbett Wilson

    With the Toronto Hearings, Senator Graham’s questions, Lloyd’s dropping their lawsuit, and these new revelations about the sudden departure of a Saudi family days before 9/11, maybe enough political pressure will build for a new inquiry.

  • Rrujeedawa

    Articles linking 9/11 to foreign nationals are pure hogwash. That was an inside job to gain momentum for foreign military adventurism. And the US has been well served since then with a near broken military, massive debts and an economy in tatters. It may take the US one century to get out of the conundrum it has thrust itself in.

    • Brendan

      Inside job doesn’t mean that there was no co-operation with foreign nationals, all “inside job” means to me is that this was orchestrated by a powerful group in the United States, it doesn’t mean that no foreigners were involved.  

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Grotke/1033420387 Jeff Grotke

        recall, also, that when the CIA murdered JFK, they deliberately used Oswald, a man who had defected to the Soviet Union, as a way to deflect and shut down the investigation. So foreign patsies have always proven to be useful.

    • Nathan (aka) yhwhzson

      Well be prepared to “WASH THE HOG” my friend. Because any and everything WASHINGton does has foreign nationals or better yet international planning and aid. This is why our foreign and domestic policy favors globalistist agendas at the expense of our national sovereignty. Some of the people commenting on this page are either egg heads or agents.

      There is no other way to explain the type of bone headed remarks I’ve seen.
      Hint to the blind.
      Council on FOREIGN Relations
      United Nations
      TRILATERAL Commission, on and on and on!

    • BB

      A century in which the US will sink into near oblivion on the international stage. Historical imperatives confirm this.
      We’ve come to a definitive tipping point as a major power. This is part of the scheme to create a new world controlled by economic/industrial oligarchs.

  • Rrujeedawa

    Articles linking 9/11 to foreign nationals are pure hogwash. That was an inside job to gain momentum for foreign military adventurism. And the US has been well served since then with a near broken military, massive debts and an economy in tatters. It may take the US one century to get out of the conundrum it has thrust itself in.

  • Rrujeedawa

    Articles linking 9/11 to foreign nationals are pure hogwash. That was an inside job to gain momentum for foreign military adventurism. And the US has been well served since then with a near broken military, massive debts and an economy in tatters. It may take the US one century to get out of the conundrum it has thrust itself in.

  • Tatarewicz

    Bush was likely aware of  9/11 being largely orchestrated by Israeli duals to get wars going against Afghanistan and Iraq and tipped off his Saudi confreres to get out of Dodge.  The pointing of fingers at Saudis is just another ruse being promulgated by duals to get attention off Mossad’s role in the attacks.  With so much secrecy surrounding then planes, particularly any communications from them, we don’t know if there were any Saudis on board at all.  Planes were likely preprogrammed by US-Israeli techs for auto-pilot to irreversibly take control and home in on the towers.

    • http://www.facebook.com/bruce.bethany Bruce Bethany

      The “wars” were certainly an important factor in the plot, but I go back to the murder of JFK and the long, slow, sure process of turning the government over to a cabal of industrial oligarchs, private bankers running the economies of much of Europe and the U.S., the military bloc, and the shadow clique of powerful people who don’t hold office, but control those who do.

  • Tatarewicz

    Bush was likely aware of  9/11 being largely orchestrated by Israeli duals to get wars going against Afghanistan and Iraq and tipped off his Saudi confreres to get out of Dodge.  The pointing of fingers at Saudis is just another ruse being promulgated by duals to get attention off Mossad’s role in the attacks.  With so much secrecy surrounding then planes, particularly any communications from them, we don’t know if there were any Saudis on board at all.  Planes were likely preprogrammed by US-Israeli techs for auto-pilot to irreversibly take control and home in on the towers.

  • roastchicken

    The potential Bush connection could be an equally dangerous revelation.  
    Remember the fact that the 9/11 event was planned well in advance indicates the potential for complicit acknowledgement by black box components in the government.  The French secret service was warning months in advance and the perpetrators were in Boston for a week protesting US involvement with Israel by hangoing banners from the Storrow Drive pedestrian overpasses.

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  • Anonymous

    What better way to infiltrate a country, planting sleeper cells intent upon committing a terrorist attack, than to use a template already in existence.

    For decades, Saudi nationals have entered the U.S. for business and recreation purposes, and if younger, to get an education, including as you reported, learning how to fly. Over the years, the Saudi royal family planted representatives in America to keep an eye on the younger Saudis studying here, just in case any got wild and crazy democratic ideas like overthrowing the Saudi monarchy. Thus, the template that al Qaeda and certain sympathetic Saudis exploited, leading to the 9/11 attacks.

    The revelation the other day about this Saudi family in Sarasota, one with close ties both to members of the Saudi royal family and to the 9/11 hijackers, made me wonder just how many similar Saudi family-9/11 hijacker “arrangements” like this existed in the U.S. before 9/11, just how many Saudi-financed al Qaeda terrorist sleeper cells there really were, waiting and “determined to strike in U.S..”

    Besides the Sarasota terrorist-linked sleeper cell, there was also one in San Diego, reportedly following the same pre-9/11 pattern: a Saudi family presumably helping the Saudi royal family “keep an eye” on Saudi nationals studying in the U.S., but actually facilitating financing and training of al Qaeda terrorists inside the U.S. before the 9/11 attacks. 9/11 hijackers in these sleeper cells attended nearby flight schools and martial arts classes, preparing for their turning 747s into guided terrorist missiles.

    So, we know of Saudi families helping 9/11 hijackers in Sarasota and San Diego, but what about in the American Mid-west, close to where the suspected 20th hijacker was picked up by the FBI three weeks before the 9/11 attacks in mid-August 2001 after he raised suspicions of flight school instructors for wanting only to learn how to fly a 747 while airborne, not learn how to take off or land one? And why did the Bush administration (and Mueller’s FBI) block the use of FISA to search this Saudi national’s personal effects, repeatedly denying urgent requests from the FBI field agents who had arrested him? (Note: FISA at that time legally allowed searches without a warrant of a foreign national, with the only stipulation being that the FBI had to justify such a search within 48 hours before the FISA court).

    Oh, wait, could it have been the arrest by the FBI of this Saudi national in mid-August, one apparently training to be a terrorist pilot on 9/11, that prompted the sudden departure at the end of August of this Saudi family in Sarasota? Was there another Saudi family living close to where this Saudi national in the Mid-west was training at a flight school, a Saudi family who fled the country between when he was arrested and the Sarasota Saudi family fled?

    As a nation, we definitely need to re-open the 9/11 investigation, specifically focusing on Saudi involvement in the 9/11 attacks. Of course, the “powers that be”(both here in the U.S. and Saudi Arabia) don’t want this to happen since so many of these out-of-the-terrorist-planning-loop people were blind-sided by what al Qaeda, and certain Saudis sympathetic to al Qaeda, did on 9/11. They’re embarrassed. People they “trusted” took them for a ride, using them.

    The Bush administration trusted the Saudis, adopting a hands-off-the-Saudis policy from the get-go, probably believing what certain Saudi officials (like the Saudi intelligence chief) told them; that the Saudis were taking care of the al Qaeda threat from their end, that the Saudis had “trusted” people in the U.S. keeping an eye on Saudi nationals living inside the U.S, not to worry.

    (Note: this might explain Bush’s stunned reaction for 7 long minutes on 9/11 in that classroom. He knew. He remembered that August 6, 2001 CIA briefing, the one he and his administration blew off, probably because they’d been given assurances by Saudi officials that the Saudis had the al Qaeda problem under control. Bush wasn’t a complete doofus. But when he trusted someone, he trusted them completely…and he completely trusted the Saudis. The Saudi royals, at least those not involved in the 9/11 plot or into financing or providing logistical support for al Qaeda, have the same problem. They were used, by members of their own inner circle. How embarrassing. Cover-up!!!!).

  • Anonymous

    I wonder if one juxtaposes this (W.W.W )article with the contents of http://markcurtis.info and stand back and look at where the dots connect.                                                                                                                                      Russ Baker should really collaborate (compare notes) with Mark Curtis and start peeling back the layers and layers of deceipt in this Anglo-American alliance and the trail of money, corruption, power and the geo-politics of the 20th century.

  • Adam

    Sami al-Arian was based at the University of South Florida

  • Adam

    Sami al-Arian was based at the University of South Florida

  • 91177info

    I believe a plan to hijack planes was in place but the plan was infiltrated and used to an advantage. The planes once hijacked and with their security feature were remotely controlled into the Towers 1 and 2. This was not part of the hijackers plan.

    Flight 93 was supposed to hit WTC7 via remote control but was shot down.

    There were explosives built into towers as a safety feature when they were erected and during the power down the week before 9/11 extra explosives for visual effect were added.

    Although no plane hit WTC 7 it still collapsed like WTC1 and WTC2.

    • Larrypayne

      Explosives built-in as a safety feature?

      Remote-controlled planes made sense and then brain-lock set in.

      • heavystarch

        The wording is wrong but the point is valid.

        The planted charges were to ensure the complete destruction of the towers, the evidence contained within etc.

      • ursus

        dont forget no arabs on the passengre lists, so what are you all talking about?

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  • i0 vae

    Surprisingly, I googled some of these key terms (Hiijjii, etc.) on Daniel Hopsicker’s MadCowProductions site (he is based in Sarasota if I’m not mistaken), and nothing came up, so this is a lead that even he missed? -however, my memory is vague, but something relating to this house might have come up in his interview with Atta’s girlfriend.

    It is interesting that these characters stopped by London on their way back to Saudi Arabia, which makes one wonder about the possile BAE Systems tie-in – it was out of he Al Yamamah slush-fund in the Riggs bank in D.C. that Al Hazmi and Al Mihdhar (and maybe others) were funded. Senator Graham details this in his “factional” novel “Keys to the Kingdom” – he also may have let out a real scoop in this book – the Carlyle Group (by another name in the novel) may have been tied into this fund as well.

  • Anonymous

    The FBI’s report just does not add up

    By:JesseHemingway6/23/207
    http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org

    This report does not add up from the beginning when 75 Saudis left Los Angeles from the fear of the tremor from an earthquake and arrived in Las Vegas before the earthquake even occurred in Los Angeles. Then the 75 Saudis turn into 69 then another 5 went missing bringing the number to 64. That would mean that there are 11 Saudis went unaccounted for by 9/11/01. There was also another group of Saudis in Las Vegas a total of 34 that left on 9/24/01. By the time you get to the end of the report on pages 118,119 and 120 the 98 Saudis turn into only 50 the other 48 nationalities become unidentified. You would think that after such a horrific event on 9/11/2001 this is the best the United States government can do which in fact it is par excellent disinformation. This leaves us with the last question why is the United States Government so good at disinformation?

    Link to FBI report:
    http://www.historycommons.org/news.jsp?oid=140393703-423

    • Valis

      “This leaves us with the last question why is the United States Government so good at disinformation?”

      Lots and lots of practise :P

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  • Mep

    I dont know if anyone mentioned this, Bush was in sarasota,fl the morning of 9/11/01 reading a book to kids.

    • Anonymous

      um…WE mentioned it. It is right in the article above. Extra points for people who read articles before posting comments.

    • http://www.facebook.com/bruce.bethany Bruce Bethany

      Mep was in a coma.

  • Jean Herve11

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/26/us/26agent.html?hp 
     
    August 25, 2011

    C.I.A. Demands Cuts in Book About 9/11 and Terror Fight

    By SCOTT SHANE  ______________________   According to Mr Hopsicker, Mohammed Atta started to fly with Huffman Aviation at the small airport of Venice in Florida. There is reportedly a strong CIA presence at this airport. http://www.wfmu.org/flashplayer.php?version=2&show=38077&archive=64941 Besides, the following article says Mr Atta also flied with Kemper Aviation where another CIA agent, Jean-François Buslik, was working. http://archives.lesoir.be/%ABatta-et-son-compagnon-sont-venus-voler-chez-moi%BB_t-20011020-Z0L2C3.html?query=Buslik&firstHit=0&by=10&sort=datedesc&when=-1&queryor=Buslik&pos=1&all=46&nav=1 How is it possible that Mr Atta flied in two CIA-controlled airports ? http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/1999-04-22/news/secrets-and-crimes/________________________

  • Mojo

    Why so much attention to a bunch of patsies?  There is no credible evidence the so-called “19 hijackers” were even on these planes, and certainly ZERO evidence that they were responsible for the demolition of WTC 1 and 2 and 7 that day, wherein the greatest loss of life occurred.  So let’s get a grip.  911 was a false flag operation, brought to you by the Mossad and the Military Industrial Complex. 

    • i0 vae

      The Mossad are such convenient patsies for latent anti-semites to pin the button on – so they danced – so what? geopoliticaly it was a boon for Israel, so why shouldn’t they celebrate? But that doesn’t mean they did it – foreknowledge perhaps, but they didn’t MAKE IT HAPPEN. 

      The real weasels behind the false flag- who almost did a good job of covering their tracks with Saudi footprints – were the original enemy of America – the  BRITISH!

      You want to find out whowhatwhy? look into BEA Systems and their state-side enablers the Carlyle group

      Of course Carlyle is mostly old news by now… now the new weasels on the block are GLOBAL -Look them up and their puppet viceroy of North America – falsely known as POTUS – who dutifully supplies our military might in support of their neocolonial misadventures in Africa for instance…

      • Balthazars Rebellion

        It was Israel

      • Nathan (aka) yhwhzson

        I LMAO when I hear the term antisemite tossed around. It’s like ten enemies chasing Arnold Schwarzenegger, in one of his blow em up movies, and he suddenly turns and throws a hand grenade to keep them at bay. It seems such a strategic weapon for evading truth and wanting people to back off when closing in on facts. Four syllable word that blows up into a million fear causing pieces. Just like the words “conspiracy theory”. My bad CT is six syllables.

      • BB

        This post is gibberish.

      • VoxFox

        OK, so the English elite (who control MI5), the American elite (who control CIA/NSA) and the Israeli elite (who control Mossad) co-operated in the 9/11 ‘false flag’ op, using the Saudi stooges as patsies. Now, do we have all players on the stage? Let the investigation begin.
        (Enter stage centre, Inspector Russ Baker): “Now, now what have we got here?”

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Grotke/1033420387 Jeff Grotke

      if they are patsies then you want to know who their sponsors are, and who was setting them up. I tend to think that they were great patsies because they really wanted to do this thing. They probably needed some help along the way, like standing down fighter squadrons, to help them achieve their goal

      • http://httprussianfreedomforumlefora.com/ shablon

        There were no hijasckers on those planes, none at all. That is why they had to plant Atta’s passport on the street corner in NY, to suggest that he was there

      • BB

        They were enlisted to participate in a war game action wherein planes were hijacked by Arab terrorists. They were employed by U.S. military intelligence so that when the “war game” turned into the destructions at WTC and the Pentagon they could pin it on these stooge employees who, btw, were known to be rude, loud, and obnoxious in public, a tactic that would leave a trail of witnesses who could help indict them.

  • Buzz Burza

    this is sadly dynamite

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  • Dan Plesse

    The bigger question is why did the FBI report them alive i.e search for
    Expert: Hijackers likely skilled with fake IDs – September 21, 2001 FBI Director Robert Mueller has acknowledged that some of those behind
    last week’s terror attacks may have stolen the identification of other
    people

  • Dan Plesse

    Launch a real, public, subpoena-empowered, criminal investigation of the events of Sept. 11, 2001 go to

    wh.gov/4yp

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  • Brian Romanoff

    Thanks for dropping by Point Reyes Russ! Made a video of some Q&A including the death of Bin Laden and 9/11 Commission q’s.

  • Adam

    There was a thing in the news about a month ago. Lloyds were going to sue the Saudi Government for funding the 9/11 attacks and then the thing went away.
    Do you think you could use your skills as an investigative journalist, which us humble internet folk dont have, to get hold of the legal brief or whatever its called, i.e. all the evidence their lawyers had collected and post it on the internet for us.
    I dont know if such a thing is possible.

    • Russ Baker

      Ok, Adam, we’ve retrieved the court filings, and will post them soon. How’s that for quick service?
      –Russ

      • Adam

        Amazing.
        Thanks

    • Steve

      Check Wikileaks

  • Candis

    Thank you for continuing your investigation into the real truth behind 9/11.  It constantly amazes me how many people refuse to take their heads out of the sand on not only this issue but regarding all of the continual dirty work of the United States’ “government by corporate elites.”  I hope I live long enough to see some level of honesty and honor return to the US.  Perhaps Occupy Wall Street is  a beginning but this information needs to be perceived as front page news.    I am anticipating reviewing the court filings you will post soon.

    • http://www.facebook.com/bruce.bethany Bruce Bethany

      Front page news? Who owns the media? People who pay plenty to not be in the news, even the back page. Maybe an obit or two.

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  • Brian Romanoff

    I have just finished a piece regarding the recently passed Crown Prince Sultan and his son “Bandar Bush.”

    For anyone who has extra time:

    http://norcaltruth.org/2011/10/31/recently-deceased-crown-prince-sultan-and-his-son-bandar-bush-apitomize-highly-questionable-saudi-911-connections/ 

    Russ,

    In your article you mentioned John M. Walker regarding BCCI. This is the same Judge John M Walker who recently presided over a 9/11 lawsuit naming Cheney and Rumsfeld as conspirators, (Though the lawyer William Veale approached the case in a completely unprofessional way) if you did not know.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24277

  • Brian Romanoff

    I have just finished a piece regarding the recently passed Crown Prince Sultan and his son “Bandar Bush.”

    For anyone who has extra time:

    http://norcaltruth.org/2011/10/31/recently-deceased-crown-prince-sultan-and-his-son-bandar-bush-apitomize-highly-questionable-saudi-911-connections/ 

    Russ,

    In your article you mentioned John M. Walker regarding BCCI. This is the same Judge John M Walker who recently presided over a 9/11 lawsuit naming Cheney and Rumsfeld as conspirators, (Though the lawyer William Veale approached the case in a completely unprofessional way) if you did not know.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24277

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  • http://twitter.com/Bamftiger Bamftiger

    This is a Mad Cow story and you need to attribute him. He has done all the work newspapers have ignored, lied about or if nothing else worked stolen from him, and indies shouldn’t feed off each other, they should support each other.

    • Russ Baker

      The key information in this article, besides what is attributed to the Herald, is unique and exclusive reporting by WhoWhatWhy. Other work has been done about the hijackers living in the Sarasota area, but it is not directly connected to the material in this story.

      • VoxFox

        I was about to forward this story to several friends & then changed my mind as I realized how weak were the key points.

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  • Mchaun

    After 9/11, a claim surfaced briefly, saying that the German Cell was funded by a Saudi Princess.

    That seemed odd, but I wonder if it was true, but actually a Pilot Training Program for Saudis?

    Of course, it also seemed odd, since that Cell was infiltrated by the FBI.

    Monte Haun  mchaun@hotmail.com

  • Anonymous

    As a retired pilot of large aircraft, I feel a real investigation into the hijackers’ training is long overdue.  They simply could not have executed the required maneuvers without specific training flying boeing 757/767.  This was probably accomplished in a simulator.  A look at which sympathetic entities own these simulators could be informative.  Saudi and UAE are just two possibilities.

    • http://www.facebook.com/bruce.bethany Bruce Bethany

      What if, a strong possibility, the planes we saw were modified drones, made capable of attaining 500+ mph
      which no passenger jet could achieve at that altitude
      without falling apart. So what about the commercial aircraft? Flown elsewhere. And the passengers? Who knows?

  • Anonymous

    is it any more far-fetched than other crackpot theories to feel that this might have to do with keeping iraqi oil off the world markets for another two decades or more-and out of competition with
    saudi petroleum?

  • Anonymous

    is it any more far-fetched than other crackpot theories to feel that this might have to do with keeping iraqi oil off the world markets for another two decades or more-and out of competition with
    saudi petroleum?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Don-Burgess/100000812861095 Don Burgess

    Try the 8 pages by Wayne Madsen in northerntruthseeker.com/”Mossad ran 9/11 “hi-jacker terrorist operation”………jan, 2011……….You might think this is relevant…

    • Russ Baker

      We’re going to start disinviting people like this. In the first place, this fellow is a broken record, always the same thing. Tiresome. In the second place, he shows zero interest in the actual substance of the reporting in the piece. It’s generally disrespectful of the staff and of the readers.

      • VoxFox

        The truth never changes – if an event happened then its retelling always remains valid.
        Why, oh why Russ won’t you really dig into 9/11?
        You disappoint many of your followers.

      • BB

        Israel and Mossad are sacrosanct, not ever, EVER, to be in any way linked to the events of 9/11. If Russ Baker is adamant about this omission it’s hard to trust any major conclusions he proposes about 9/11.

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  • Major Martin

    This article assumes that those blamed for the hijackings actually carried them out. The evidence for this is dubious. It is quite possible that these young men were simply Saudi intelligence agents who were “sheep dipped” at various U.S. flying schools to make it appear that they were capable of flying commercial jetliners. Many airline pilots doubt they were technically qualified to fly Boeing 757s. A light Cessna training aircraft is a very different machine than a heavy jet.

  • jo

    this is racist

    just cause there middle eastern doesnt meen any thing

    thats like saying

    the british royal famly is nazi’s since there german desendance

    • katm

      Examining someone’s content of character is not racist.

    • huntervg

      no no no the Royal Family had nazis for ideological and self serving interests.

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  • Bsrana

    Ive always thought the Bush administration knew what was coming. They had known ties to the Saudis and Bush would never have survived into a second term without a war on Iraq. 

  • Jim

    I find your 911 coverage to be either:

    1. woefully behind the times, or otherwise ineffective in terms of the context you provide.
    2.deliberately obscuring the truth, as backed up by your frequent radio interviews, either because you fear offending specific power blocks, or because you are in ideological agreement with those power blocks.
    3.symptomatic of the larger problem of the Who/What business model:you maintain an arrogant disdain for the citizen journalists or 911 researchers that you feel are not following Establishment protocol and accepting the same epistemological frames and authority paradigms..
    the very paradigms your intrepid journalism is trying to turn over for social betterment, prestige, or intellectual honesty.

    Thus you are trying to reveal the sins of the Establishment to themselves while still maintaining the identity as one of their own, with its requisite rewards, paydirt, and respect.

    • Russ Baker

      This commenter is only here to grandstand. Zero interest in the substance of our reporting. If you’re only here to pontificate and level insults, please take it elsewhere.

      • huntervg

        Russ – you know better than that – read his thoughtful response – “epistemological frames” is not grandstanding it is the heart of an important debate that you avoid – preferring to yourself “level insults”

        • VoxFox

          Disappointing response, Russ. Take a lead from Jim Marrs.

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  • Mark Tokar

    A cursory look at the evidence yields the simple question “Isn’t it obvious?” Of course it was an inside job. Mark Twain commented on how rare moral courage was compared to physical courage. Guys will give their lives for lies, but ordinary people are afraid to say what is so obviously true: No planes, no hijackers, PSYOP all the way. We were all traumatized that day and believed it all. Time has passes. just as RB came to understand JFK, it’s time now t face 9/11. Man up.

    • Russ Baker

      I find these kinds of commentaries boring and pointless. When there’s an article right in front of you full of documented information, you might start by actually studying it, and then commenting—thoughtfully–about the contents. This is not a forum for 9/11 Truthers just to rant. If you’re not interested in the work we do, you aren’t forced to come here.

      • huntervg

        Russ – are you afraid to confront the whole story – you want to draw lines around your story – as if Kepler had some new measurements for Mars orbit but avoided the implication the orbit was an ellipse.

        • VoxFox

          The use of TV on 9/11 was a stroke of genius. 99% of people believe whatever they see with their own eyes – ask any stage ‘Magician’.

        • VoxFox

          Russ acts like a lawyer; if it’s not in a document then it cannot be evidence.
          The reality is that all documents are second hand representations & can be readily faked. This is why we have jury trials where the man-in-the-street on the jury can bring his own experience & common sense to bear.

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  • elvis

    flying military drones took down the towers !!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/bruce.bethany Bruce Bethany

      The planes crashing into the buildings was a sideshow to arouse people for bloody revenge. They were drones specially outfitted to look like commercial jets, and modified to attain speeds no ordinary commercial planes could survive at that low altitude. Where are the passengers on the real flights? I don’t know, although I believe snuffing out a couple of hundred lives is a not uncommon practice in the filthy world of international politics and power struggles.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Grotke/1033420387 Jeff Grotke

    the reality of the situation shows why these were good patsies. the American public has ALWAYS heard that the hijackers had Saudi links, as Michael Moore detailed long ago. In our minds, however, we easily accepted the notion that they were Taliban or Al Qaeda. Basically, the plotters, if there was a larger conspiracy, took advantage of our own racism to gloss over the links to the Saudi Royals.

    • http://httprussianfreedomforumlefora.com/ shablon

      Al Qaeda has only existed as a branch of Mossad/CIA, and saudis are more Israeli than Israelis are

  • B Mohr

    Steel melts at 1400 degrees why keep saying 2700? Those fires burned anywhere from 450-750 degrees. A match burns at about 450 and a bic lighter about the same. So a big match or big lighter did the job, right. Building #7 fell straight down all uniformly,impossible unless explosives where involed. Towers 1 and 2 did the same. If you through a rock off the top it would take about 10 seconds to hit the ground, average of 10 floors per second with no resisance. Again impossible.High grade concrete and high grade steel would provide resistance, and pleanty of it. That alone should have sparked some genius to say hey WTF. Then there is the Pentagon, where are all the camera angles? 86 cameras where confiscated by FBI and nothing substantial released to the public whatsoever. The whole thing is the biggest bunch of crap I ever seen and only a fool would believe what the gov. tells you to begin with..

    • http://httprussianfreedomforumlefora.com/ shablon

      It depends on steel, steel containing certain amount carbon can melt at 2750 degrees FAHRENHEIT. T here is no way that this level of heat could have been attained by burning kerosene that is for certain

  • http://www.facebook.com/bruce.bethany Bruce Bethany

    The 19 (some of them with false identities) were FBI assets being used in the astoundingly coincidental 9/11 anti-terrorism exercise.They believed it was a practice session, which, btw, was why interceptor planes were scattered far and wide. The Bush regime and many others were in on the plot which gave us not only two wars, but more importantly, The Patriot Act, thus effectively nullifying protections guaranteed in the Constitution.

  • http://httprussianfreedomforumlefora.com/ shablon

    Bunch of nonsense! Rich Saudis do that all the time. Money is of no consequence to them. They will buy a multi million dollar home in Monaco, live in it for a week or two and depart, maybe they will come in a week or a year depends on their mood. The rest is just guess work. I wish I had a dollar for every Saudi abandoned house in Europe, Canada, and US, I would be a rich man

    • DollarDolllop

      such an intellectually lazy man you are. Just ignore all the specifics of the story, why dont you?

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  • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/06/03/Justice-Dept-moves-to-end-Fla-lawsuit-citing-national-security/UPI-53491370290666

    FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla., June 3 (UPI) — A declaration in support of ending a Fort Lauderdale, Fla., lawsuit says the suit’s classified information could compromise FBI security investigations.

    An assertion by FBI official David Hardy, in a sworn 33-page declaration, says disclosure of certain classified information about Florida residents who hurriedly left their homes after the Sept. 11, 2001, attack “would reveal current specific targets of the FBI’s national security investigations.”

    The declaration is in support of a U.S. Department of Justice that seeks to end a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed in 2012 by the Florida online newspaper BrowardBulldog.org, the newspaper said.

    The suit was filed to obtain information about an incident, not disclosed to Congress or to the 9/11 Commission and published in 2011 by The Miami Herald and BrowardBulldog.org, in which neighbors in the gated community of Prestancia, Fla., noticed a Saudi family, the al-Hijis, suddenly departed their home about two weeks before the attacks.

    Gatehouse log books and photographs were later used by the FBI to determine vehicles used by the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers had visited the al-Hiji home, former Prestancia administrator Larry Berberich said.

    The FBI redacted information in its report on the investigation of the al-Hiji family, and Hardy assertions state the deletions were made to protect “actual intelligence activities and methods used by the FBI against specific targets of foreign counterintelligence investigations or operations.”

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  • adam

    Some interesting links re Eirad.

    Another company at the same address has the Tchenguiz brothers on the board as well as Guy Dellal, son of Black Jack Dellal

    http://www.dellam.com/english/CO/CONEWALK

  • DRUNTO

    FBI ………………….! An org whom no one should believe as they
    always go as the wind / tide goes. Sorry, I don’t believe this
    news / article at all. Better drop it.

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  • JimGlover

    Thanks Russ,

    So I send a message to Paul McCartney to tell the Queen, Prince William and Kate that I have first hand knowledge about Sir Bush during Dallas and More. Then the Queen tells William and Kate that she knows details on the assassination of Diana.

    My question is what are the ties of the Bush gang/Saudi’s and the companies that invested in the landmines who hated Diana for her campaign to end them. It gets even more involved of course…. confusion is the best cover-up method ever invented.

    That is why hiding in plain site is so efficient.

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