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Doubts On “Official Story” of Bin Laden Killing

Article Summary:  When you look closely, nothing seems right about what will surely become the accepted account of the raid that nailed America’s enemy number one. And then things get even weirder…

The father of the New Yorker writer who got the exclusive inside story of the bin Laden raid

 

he establishment media just keep getting worse. They’re further and further from good, tough investigative journalism, and more prone to be pawns in complicated games that affect the public interest in untold ways. A significant recent example is The New Yorker’s vaunted August 8 exclusive on the vanquishing of Osama bin Laden.

The piece, trumpeted as the most detailed account to date of the May 1 raid in Abbottabad Pakistan, was an instant hit. “Got the chills half dozen times reading @NewYorker killing bin Laden tick tock…exquisite journalism,” tweeted the digital director of the PBS show Frontline.  The author, freelancer Nicholas Schmidle, was quickly featured on the Charlie Rose show, an influential determiner of “chattering class” opinion. Other news outlets rushed to praise the story as “exhaustive,” “utterly compelling,” and on and on.

To be sure, it is the kind of granular, heroic story that the public loves, that generates follow-up bestsellers and movie options. The takedown even has a Hollywood-esque code name: “Operation Neptune’s Spear”

Here’s the introduction to the mission commanderfull of minute details that help give it a ring of authenticity and suggest the most intimate reportorial access:

James, a broad-chested man in his late thirties, does not have the lithe swimmer’s frame that one might expect of a SEAL—he is built more like a discus thrower. That night, he wore a shirt and trousers in Desert Digital Camouflage, and carried a silenced Sig Sauer P226 pistol, along with extra ammunition; a CamelBak, for hydration; and gel shots, for endurance. He held a short-barrel, silenced M4 rifle. (Others SEALs had chosen the Heckler & Koch MP7.) A “blowout kit,” for treating field trauma, was tucked into the small of James’s back. Stuffed into one of his pockets was a laminated gridded map of the compound. In another pocket was a booklet with photographs and physical descriptions of the people suspected of being inside. He wore a noise-cancelling headset, which blocked out nearly everything besides his heartbeat.

On and on went the “tick-tock.” Yet as Paul Farhi, a Washington Post reporter, noted, that narrative was misleading in the extreme, because the New Yorker reporter never actually spoke to James—nor to a single one of James’s fellow SEALs (who have never been identified or photographed–even from behind–to protect their identity.) Instead, every word of Schmidle’s narrative was provided to him by people who were not present at the raid. Complains Farhi:

…a casual reader of the article wouldn’t know that; neither the article nor an editor’s note describes the sourcing for parts of the story. Schmidle, in fact, piles up so many details about some of the men, such as their thoughts at various times, that the article leaves a strong impression that he spoke with them directly.

That didn’t trouble New Yorker editor David Remnick, according to Farhi:

Remnick says he’s satisfied with the accuracy of the account. “The sources spoke to our fact-checkers,” he said. “I know who they are.”

But we don’t.

On a story of this gravity, should we automatically join in with the huzzahs because it has the imprimatur of America’s most respected magazine? Or would we be wise to approach it with caution?

***

Most of us are not the trusting naïfs we once were. And with good reason.

The list of consequential events packaged for us by media and Hollywood in unsatisfactory ways continues to grow. It starts, certainly, with the official version of the JFK assassination, widely discredited yet still carried forward by most major media organizations. (For more on that, see this.) More and more people realize that the heroic Woodward & Bernstein story of Nixon’s demise is deeply problematical. (I’ve written extensively on both of these in my book Family of Secrets.)

And untold millions don’t think we’ve heard the real (or at least complete) story of the phenomenal, complex success of those 19 hijackers on Sept. 11, 2001. Skeptics now include former White House counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke, who recently speculated that the hijackers may have been able to enter the US and move freely precisely because American intelligence hoped to recruit them as double agents—and that an ongoing cover-up is designed to hide this. And then, of course, there are the Pentagon’s account of the heroic rescue of Jessica Lynch in Iraq, which turned out to be a hoax, and the Pentagon’s fabricated account of the heroic battle death of former NFL player Pat Tillman in Afghanistan, who turned out to be a victim of friendly fire. These are just a few from scores of examples of deceit perpetrated upon the American people. Hardly the kind of track record to inspire confidence in official explanations with the imprimatur of the military and the CIA.

Whatever one thinks of these other matters, we’re certainly now at a point where we ought to be prudent in embracing authorized accounts of the latest seismic event: the dramatic end to one of America’s most reviled and storied nemeses.

The bin Laden raid presents us with every reason to be cautious. The government’s initial claims about what transpired at that house in Abbottabad have changed, then changed again, with no proper explanation of the discrepancies. Even making allowances for human error in such shifting accounts, almost every aspect of what we were told requires a willing suspension of disbelief—from the manner of Osama’s death and burial to the purported pornography found at the site. (For more on these issues, see previous articles we wrote on the subject, here, here and here.)

Clarke’s theory will seem less outrageous later, as we explore Saudi intelligence’s crucial, and bizarre, role at the end of bin Laden’s life—working directly with the man who now holds Clarke’s job.

Add to all of this the discovery that the reporter providing this newest account wasn’t even allowed to talk to any raid participants—and the magazine’s lack of candor on this point—and you’ve got an almost unassailable case for treating the New Yorker story with extreme caution.

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  • Bill

    Chapter 11 in William O.  Douglas’ autobiography “The Court Years” is titled simply “The Press.”  He makes some observations that still resonate today.  They include “…There were not many real reporters in Washington.
    A real reporter, as I use the term, is someone who searches out the
    facts on his or her own. In the capital there were a few solid
    muckrakers, notably I.F. Stone and Drew Pearson. But most reporters
    followed the course of least effort and lived on government handouts or
    curried favor with high officials like J. Edgar Hoover for tip-offs or
    leads. Presidents, Cabinet officers or agency heads handed out tidbits
    to favored reporters. Much classified, even top secret, material was
    leaked in this way. Government’s purpose was served and the reporter
    who reported faithfully, stressing precisely the right angle, could
    expect to be rewarded again.The
    victim was the public, which did not know who the “undisclosed but
    reliable source” was. Full disclosure would have revealed the strategy
    being employed. Much of the disastrous build-up of public support for
    our activities in Vietnam was the product of these discreet “leaks” to the press.”
    Nice to see WhoWhatWhy filling an important need in democracy!

  • Logan Waters

    Excellent article.

    And it touches upon the single biggest issue with the killing of OBL.

    Why would you put a bullet through the CPU holding the greatest repository of terrorist knowledge on the planet – OBL’s brain?

    We had week after week of info and “alerts” about AQ’s plans… but we kill the planner, who may have kept the Biggest Stuff (like nuke info) in his head?

    I don’t wanna be a conspiracy theorist.  I really don’t. 

    But this kinda stuff… sigh.

    • Anonymous

      “.. the greatest repository of  terrorist knowledge on the planet”???
      That has absolutely no validity since bin Laden died of natural causes in late 2001. Besides it’s the CIA/Mossad/MI6 who are the repositories of the terrorist knowledge on the planet since they are responsible for the vast majority of it. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid Logan. The hole that is denial goes on forever.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jwarren.clark J Warren Clark

        Bruce: The inquiring mind looks at every branch of the tree. That one of those branches does not satisfy Mr. Waters is just that, one of those branches that needs to be looked at, namely IF the story is true why would they kill anyone with so much insider information. It is a good question. But your criticism is not. To make looking at one branch “denial” of any one of the others is just silly. What are you doing here? JWC

    • H.P. Loathecraft

      You are mistaken in referring to OBL as the “planner”. He was the movement’s spiritual leader and not an operational guy.

      Your main point is an important one nonetheless. The guy was worth something alive.

      • Hassan i Sabbah

        If he were alive they wouldn’t have had to “kill” him and dump his already buried body in the sea. What I don’t understand is why they didn’t have their phony story down pat in advance. And the publicity photo of Hillary and Barack and the other d1ldos “watching” a nonexistent video feed just boggles the mind. It’s like somebody wanted to make it absolutely clear to the unhypnotized that they didn’t care whether their story made any sense or not.

        • H.P. Loathecraft

          The stage managing was indeed a disaster, wasn’t it? 

  • Logan Waters

    Excellent article.

    And it touches upon the single biggest issue with the killing of OBL.

    Why would you put a bullet through the CPU holding the greatest repository of terrorist knowledge on the planet – OBL’s brain?

    We had week after week of info and “alerts” about AQ’s plans… but we kill the planner, who may have kept the Biggest Stuff (like nuke info) in his head?

    I don’t wanna be a conspiracy theorist.  I really don’t. 

    But this kinda stuff… sigh.

  • Lesliegriffith

    the first casualty of war is truth.

    leslie griffith

  • Tio Holtzman

    Russ, you’re pretty brave to come out with these words.  You know what happens to people who tell the truth….they have “accidents.”  I commend you, please watch your back.

  • Gillett22

    I’m not going to deny that your skepticism and generally questioning attitude, as well as your conclusions regarding the real power structure in this country, are useful.  But with this article in particular, you are committing several of the same sins you accuse the corporate press of.  Questions asked when you already know the answer, statements made that are purposefully accusatory despite facts that you know are contrary, and others.  I was going to go through the whole thing and point all this out to you, but I got about halfway and gave up, partially because you started to make more sense and actually present useful information at that point.  I’ll close by referring to just one example of your problem here.  A key point of your article is the scenario whereby President Obama is out of the loop and lower ranking military personnel are seemingly making key decisions.  This simply cannot be plausible, if only for the (as someone who works in government knows) much more likely scenario where Obama has already made the broad goals known, and made several key detailed decisions up front.  Whether to shoot to kill, where to dispose of OBL’s body, etc., was all worked out well in advance, I assure you.  Lastly, your use of “the New Yorker’s” over and over again is simply wrong.  It’s “The New Yorker”.  Try substituting “Rolling Stone” for several instances and you’ll see why the ‘s cannot be used here.  

    • W Baker

      Gillett22 (and Mary Okorn-Jimenez), I don’t know what did it.  Maybe, Gillett22, when you started trying to correct the article’s articles…. but you both remind me of the silly scene in the even sillier movie, Idiocracy.  http://tiny.cc/fxjn1

      (Hint:  Simple assertions do not make an argument!)

      • Perfidia

        Seriously, how can I believe this guys story if he got the simple things wrong…?

  • Gillett22

    I’m not going to deny that your skepticism and generally questioning attitude, as well as your conclusions regarding the real power structure in this country, are useful.  But with this article in particular, you are committing several of the same sins you accuse the corporate press of.  Questions asked when you already know the answer, statements made that are purposefully accusatory despite facts that you know are contrary, and others.  I was going to go through the whole thing and point all this out to you, but I got about halfway and gave up, partially because you started to make more sense and actually present useful information at that point.  I’ll close by referring to just one example of your problem here.  A key point of your article is the scenario whereby President Obama is out of the loop and lower ranking military personnel are seemingly making key decisions.  This simply cannot be plausible, if only for the (as someone who works in government knows) much more likely scenario where Obama has already made the broad goals known, and made several key detailed decisions up front.  Whether to shoot to kill, where to dispose of OBL’s body, etc., was all worked out well in advance, I assure you.  Lastly, your use of “the New Yorker’s” over and over again is simply wrong.  It’s “The New Yorker”.  Try substituting “Rolling Stone” for several instances and you’ll see why the ‘s cannot be used here.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/Marywriter1 Mary Okorn-Jimenez

    I got to about the fourth or fifth paragraph before I could no longer contain my “what a crock of shit” heartfelt response….
    What a crock of cowardly shit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Marywriter1 Mary Okorn-Jimenez

    I got to about the fourth or fifth paragraph before I could no longer contain my “what a crock of shit” heartfelt response….
    What a crock of cowardly shit.

    • LizR

      Would you care to expand on these comments? You appear not to have actually read most of the article, so it seems to be a bit of an over-reaction. What is cowardly about analysing and discussing a news story?

    • Perfidia

      This site is full of shit… Jessica lynch said herself she was rescued in many interviews, and a book. What was the hoax, maybe some fudged details but a hoax, wow… I had to stop there cuz I thought my eyes would roll out of my head… Phew, I made it, eyes sore but brain cells still intact. Good thing too, I’m gonna need them to look out for black helicopters and such. Where’s my foil pirate hat!
      Maybe some day they’ll stop finding conspiracies everywhere, doubt it though, facts lie behind lies and liars. Go ahead, call me names cuz i don’t agree. That’s the difference between you and me. I look forward and ahead not questioning all that’s said. If you’re looking for something, I’m sure you’ll find it. Nahhh… Bullshit…

      • KGB

        There’s a difference between “fudged details” and “lies and hype” (as she put it herself) to sell a war. And that’s the point here. Not forgetting Tillman who’s brother outright accused the US military of “intentional falsehoods” and “deliberate and careful misrepresentations”. That’s serious stuff, not errors by omission or incompetence (as your line of thinking would have it). So in fact, there was a ‘conspiracy’ to sell their respective events to further ‘the cause’.

        Just one or two of hundreds of articles on the matter – “Rambo image was based on lie, says US war hero Jessica Lynch”
        - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/25/iraq.usa1
        - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Lynch#cite_note-EditorAndPublisher20070424-30

      • H.P. Loathecraft

        “Good thing too, I’m gonna need them to look out for black helicopters and such. Where’s my foil pirate hat!”

        Directly followed by:

        “Go ahead, call me names cuz i don’t agree. ”
        Why don’t we begin with “hypocrite”, huh perfy?

    • H.P. Loathecraft

      Wow, two morons chatting gleefully back and forth. 
      No doubt one is the other’s pet sockpuppet.

  • David
  • David
  • Rob

    Thanks for looking into this.
    Have you read what Paul Craig Roberts has to say on this?
    http://lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts320.html

    In summary, the one eyewitness on record states that 3 helicopters flew into the area, 1 landed. Soldiers got off the helicopter, some entering the building, some telling neighbors not to come out of their homes or they will be shot. The soldiers are not US, they are Pashtun. After some time the soldiers board the helicopter again and after it takes off again, it explodes, killing all on board.
    End of story.

    Now how accurate or trustworthy this eyewitness is remains to be seen, but it would seem to be well worth checking out as it completely contradicts the official story.

    It would be very interesting to see what you could find out on this angle.

    • Hassan i Sabbah

      I think you pretty much have to assume that the entire story is a fairy tale. And trying to deconstruct the version of that fairy tale that appeared in THE New Yorker seems to me to be a waste of time. If the author is really the son of some spook insider, nothing he says is worthy of analysis. It’s all just smoke and mirrors. Why? Perhaps to pave the way for the withdrawal from Iraq. Who knows? We don’t have nearly enough data to even speculate.

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  • WhiskyDog

    Just my feeling on this is,  this was a hit job paid for by the saudis.  With the overthrow of middle east countries happening all around.  Bin Laden was a threat to the Kingdom and could raise a large rebel force against it.

    • No

      Finally, somebody’s getting close to the real crux of the problem. Never trust anybody from the house of Said.

      • No

        Saud.

  • Guest

    Mary,

    YOU are the crock of shit. Fucking bitch.

  • http://twitter.com/HongPong Dan Feidt

    This little bit i heard is convoluted and might not mean anything — however i am surprised to see this (cleanup?) playing out in New Yorker as I heard a guy with handle “Colonel Sixx” on Alex Jones discussing the SEAL teams’ families starting to talk — Sixx said he told the fams to take it to Seymour Hersh. Thus this’d be a blocking maneuver inside the NYorker vs Hersh —  if Sixx’s other views on the whole thing being a managed sketchy Psyop were true. (you can google his wordpress blog etc) So would Hersh be out of play? (You guys had that awesome Knights of Malta/Hersh piece, I hope it all connects in the end ;-)

    That is out of left field but the only other Bin Laden / New Yorker meme out there springin to mind :D

  • LizR

    Well, this started with cowboys and indians. America (and other countries, of course) have been busily rewriting history since – well, the invention of writing.

    • Hassan i Sabbah

      What, you doubt the Ministry of Truth? [/snark off]

    • Evelyn T. Woodson

      Perhaps  when the truth is known about those who ‘s greed and thirst for blood, reached  The Americas encircled  the globe is reconized as the  consiquences, the world is facing at the moment,If the truth was known about the original  people who is proped up as the Founders of Democrary , You will find  what is  unfolding is  merely the legacy, of falsehood that is moving  through the generations, Instead of pretending there is a   real democratic   America, and doing the researh of the crimes agsint humanity and the  mass murder and genocde against defenseless   people of all genders ages  and ethnic  back grounds and Nationalaties, by those who pretended a freedom founded on slavery could work shows  a legacy of insanity. People was  tortured and branded the same as    cows  is branded by those   , who is glorified and hailed as heros due to the same false  projections and  say it the way the tyrrants demand ,The people on this planet have new weapons of distruction and communication devices, But beneath the exterior benovelence the Cain and Abel  energy is at work. The  props dingled as devices of unity and one for all and all for one, has never been the intention , If  the truth     about the government was made public, the same   thing would unfold in the US as Lybbia and Eygpt. The few people who have managed to mantain their  {Intergrity} Is the glue that is holding the world togather.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent article. However, to me it illustrates the importance of choosing our top leaders very carefully. In order to best protect our country, some actions do have to be done secretly. Unfortunately, we must understand that it is in all of our best interests to not have certain secrets revealed – ever.  Having said that, it does scare me to think of having the wrong person responsible for making such crucial decisions.  We all need to keep that in mind when we cheer for the “macho” candidate. Perhaps we should be thankful to find a thoughtful, intelligent, one who isn’t rigid in his/her thinking.

    • http://twitter.com/JohnnyNucks Patrick AuCoin

      Leadership? Oh the puppets in the White House? Not likely we are getting anything different no matter who is in there!

  • Roast Chicken

    But where was the dialysis machine?

    • Hassan i Sabbah

      He left it in his cave with the solar panels. The CIA bought him a new kidney with some of their drug money. [/snark off]

    • Hassan i Sabbah

      He left it in his cave with the solar panels. The CIA bought him a new kidney with some of their drug money. [/snark off]

    • Snark

      A local Afghan medicine man had cured his kidney disease before he moved to Pakistan. That is why there is no mention of a dialysis machine anywhere in the compound. ;)

  • Rick Spisak

    Russell and team, thanks for picking apart some of the loose threads of this EPIC myth making exercise. Surely an exemplary exercise is PSYOPS. Containing nothing whatsoever of truth, and wrapping the tale up neatly with the “typical Muslim at Sea Burial and the timely and convenience coincidence of the elimination of so many who might have been in a position to tell-tales out of school, is just so, how’s the saying go, just one more interesting “coincidence”.

    Are we to take seriously the report that the operation was UNPLUGGED, in an age where “intelligent” live-fire combat technology is the norm, that a mission of this sort, would have gone “OLD-SCHOOL” and low tech (except for laser sites) Why would such “real-time” technology be abandoned, especially when we are treated to “eye-candy” administration photos of all the leading lights, perched around a monitor, tracking the realtime action. Or were the poor dears, left hanging for twenty-five minutes, gee theres a version for everyone. A regular “limited hangout” enterprise.

    Has Hollywood, really got it so far off the mark, from West Wing to pick one… they went dark? Since they undoubtedly had man tracking technology and they haven’t shown us anything of the raid events. [While it's no doubt being coded for some future XBOX Christmas Software and needless to say, the full Star-Spangled Hollywood treatment]. Maybe not Matt Damon though.

    It is repugnant to the imagination that there was no presidential involvement in the decision as to whether this was a TAKE or KILL mission. Since “modern” justice has been thoroughly gutted [Just say 9/11] its not that far-fetched that it was a simple execution warrant, “nation of laws” notwithstanding. But can we really stomach no discussion at all nationally, about whether we try enemies like Nuremberg or just summarily cancel them like a listless sitcom, where ARE we headed.

    One last thread was left loose though, WWW-Team what about this latest wrinkle so oft neglected – the story just a few days old, that Pakistan let the Chinese examine the downed chopper ? No discussion of the lost machines, and the evacuated guests or can we still say “detained compound occupants all left to the friendly hands of Pakistani security?

    This warrants at least one more follow up

    Thank you Russell, and Who, What Why!
    Richard Spisak
    http://www.NewMercuryMedia.com/pnn.html

    • Hassan i Sabbah

      On Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, I believe that Obama is just a front man with no clue what is going on. On Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays, I believe he is a homicidal maniac who enjoys blowing the crap out of little children. Whichever is true, I doubt very much if any of this little fairy tale is anywhere near the truth, if there even is a truth to be near.

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  • Dubious Dude

    I’ve been puzzled from day one concerning the “official” account of the raid on Bin Laden’s compound as well as by subsequent “modifications”.  There are three things that don’t make sense.  One, is that Bin Laden was said to have been killed 45 minutes into the raid when the Seal team broke into his bedroom and assassinated him.  (Good riddance, by the way.)  When the team first entered the house, it was reported they shot and killed a guard.  More shots were fired later when more resistance was encountered.  That’s a lot of noise being made which makes me wonder what Bin Laden was doing during those 45 minutes of mayhem?  Hiding in his bedroom all that time?  He must’ve heard the shots and I find it inconceivable that he didn’t try to escape in some way or at least arm himself in preparation for the inevitable confrontation. (What? No AK 47 stashed in a closet?)  Two, it’s also very strange that the world’s most wanted terrorist, who knew he was an a priori target, did not think to build an escape tunnel in the house!  You’d think that would’ve been the #1 concern when building the compound, yet no mention of a tunnel was ever made. (Every bad guy I’ve ever read about from Hitler to Saddam Hussein has made sure they have an escape route of some sort.)  And three, his body was thrown into the ocean as a sign of respect for Muslim burial customs?  That alone is a whopper. 

    • Hassan i Sabbah

      IT’S A FAIRY TALE, DR. EINSTEIN! The story keeps changing because there’s no reality to align it with. It’s like the Jesus stories of the 2nd Century. They don’t agree because there’s no reality behind them. What I don’t understand is why they didn’t just make up a single story, pass it around, and be done with it. It’s like they want to get caught, but nobody’s bright enough to take them up on it. Or maybe they’re just seeing how much crap the populace will swallow.

      • Davo7

        Every knee SHALL bow to Jesus some day….including Mo the child raper.

  • Anonymous

    “•The eyewitnesses from the house—including the surviving wives—have disappeared without comment.”

    I’ve done some research on this part and found an article about interviews of the wife’s brother and father where they say they can’t get any answers about her whereabouts. They think she is being held by the Pakistani government only because they heard it in the media. The Pakistanis will not confirm or deny to them that they are holding her.

    http://www.duhur.com/yemeni-envoy-says-not-called-to-attend-cias-bin-ladins-wifes-interrogation-al-quds-al-arabi-online/

    I believe this is the most important part of the story and deserves its own article. The wife personally identifying OBL was one of the linchpins of the entire story. It’s like the telephone calls from the planes on 9/11. Without the phone calls there would be no evidence of hijackings and the entire narrative would fall apart.

    Without the wife identifying OBL or any live independent witnesses to tell the tale the story falls apart. The DNA evidence convinces only the most gullible, since anyone objective will know the real proof is in the details of the test and the handling of the evidence. If there isn’t a verifiable chain of custody or reproducible test (which there are not), it isn’t proof anything.

    The independent witnesses are the key to the story. If these people disappeared long ago, or are fictional and the people telling us this story are blatantly lying about them, most likely the part about OBL being found there and killed is a lie also.

    • Hassan i Sabbah

      “It’s like the telephone calls from the planes on 9/11. Without the phone
      calls there would be no evidence of hijackings and the entire narrative
      would fall apart.”

      The entire narrative fell apart when it was determined that you couldn’t make cell phone calls from the airplanes, not to mention the calls continuing after at least one of the planes had supposedly already crashed. Get with the program already.

    • No

      They just sentenced them and deported them over illegal entry into Pakiland.

  • http://twitter.com/curtis4governor David Curtis

    Have only read 2/3 of the NY article, by it’s own text, the only verifiable info it contains would be (in theory) the overhead video shot from the drone. That video if it exists would show the copter crash, the second copter land some humans entering the compound…and little else. My feeling reading the story was, I have no way of verifying any of the info in the story. And assuming they did in fact collect DNA from OBL, to what other DNA sample will they compare it? The whole thing smells.

    • H.P. Loathecraft

      They had DNA from a sister, so we’re told.

    • No

      Do you think they never drew blood from him during the soviet occupation when they trained him?

  • http://welcome-to-pottersville2.blogspot.com Suzan

    Thanks for your perspective, Russ, but having tried to follow all the details (at your site and many others) and having read the New Yorker essay(?), I just kept getting that “disinformation” hollow feeling. (A lot like I felt when viewing the 9/11 real-time reporting.)

    There’s just no way that any of the large pieces can be correct.  (Every single one of them has real concrete problems.) And the ones putting this/these stories out know it.

    Thus, the ultimate “plausible deniability” gambit magnified a thousandfold.

    Just like Bldg. 7 collapsing into its own footprint (out of sympathy with its two brother buildings maybe?).

    When the facts are really exposed (Sy? Are you ready to jump in here yet?), we’ll have a much better comprehension of exactly how ignorant the powers-that-be think the U.S. population is.

    My guess is that the number is astronomical.

    Again, you have our thanks for having the courage to continue reporting on this more and more easily recognizable criminal enterprise.

    • Patrick AuCoin

      Jaw dropping how all this stems from 9/11!

      • Hassan i Sabbah

        At least as an intermediate stage. I’m not sure this all doesn’t go back to the Spanish-American War and the realization in Washington that they didn’t have to free the former Spanish colonies.

  • KGB

    Did someone say “Bin Laden movie”?
    “Congressman calls for probe of Bigelow’s Bin Laden movie”
    - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2011/08/congressman-calls-for-probe-of-bigelows-bin-laden-movie.html
    “Bin Laden pic tracked kill team”
    - http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118036263

  • Roast Chicken

    Building Seven had the gold vaults.  Kissinger was to be indicted on the day of the attack.  Any evidence of the dialysis machine?  This required German canisters on a regular basis.  Where are the sales records?

    • Hassan i Sabbah

      He left it in the cave with the solar panels [/snark off]

      I’m pretty sure dumping the “body” in the sea, “in accordance with Moslem law” (ROFL), had to do with the fact that there WAS NO body and not with any other form of deception.

  • Anonymous

    I knew you had to be working on something.

  • Anonymous

    wow…. good job, Russ.

  • Metrobusman

    Still waiting for why Clarke’s new cover story will “make more sense later” (or something like that).

  • opinionator

    A very interesting article, thank you.
    May I ask if anybody has actually looked at a map and seen where this event  actually took place? I mean its proximity to the ocean and borders. Looking at a map and realizing the distances involved certainly begs more questions in my humble opinion.

    • No

      I’m in Afghanistan. It is definitly close enough to fly to a waiting carrier.

  • Tio Holtzman

    Russ, you’re pretty brave to come out with these words.  You know what happens to people who tell the truth….they have “accidents.”  I commend you, please watch your back.

  • Tio Holtzman

    Russ, you’re pretty brave to come out with these words.  You know what happens to people who tell the truth….they have “accidents.”  I commend you, please watch your back.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rahmatoola-Rujeedawa/671776859 Rahmatoola Rujeedawa

    Regarding the reference to the so called “9/11 Saudi hijackers”, I once heard a piece of news on the radio that went on like this: “The State Department is at odds with the CIA as the latter has been granting US visas to young Saudi men, bypassing the American embassy in Riyadh”.

    Now, why would the CIA issue entry visas to foreign nationals? This is the job of embassy staff.  

  • Anonymous

    1st person shooter, remote control, role-playing. Gamer <> Schmidlapp.

  • Randerson1

    Russ, I am delighted to hear the voice of a skeptical journalist who wants to see the evidence. But when, oh when are you going to go for the crux? When are you going to write about the third skyscraper, WTC 7 that magically dropped at 5:20 on 9/11 without being hit by a plane.  When are you going to address the government’s blatantly fraudulent report that asks us to believe a 47-story building with a base the size of a football field dropped smoothly at free fall into a neat pile in 6.6 seconds all because a small office fire weakened a SINGLE column? Even when we can see the video of officers in the NYC street warning that that building was about to blow up? And the video of the building dropping, even a child watching it knows intuitively that it was a controlled demolition. You have seen it, haven’t you? When oh when Russ are you going to get to the crux of 9/11.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, he lost me when he acknowledged that there were hijackers on 9/11. Even some of the dullest among us know that the planes were remote controlled, a missle hit the Pentagon, and there was no crash at Shanksville. I am forced to question this writer’s account of the account and what purpose this whole load of bs serves. Building 7 is indeed the elephant in the room as many people are beginning to recognize.

      • Patrick AuCoin

        Larry Silverstein the billionaire insurance collector authorized “Pulling” down WTC7 …on the record! 9/11 the seminal event in the last 1/2 century, and no mainstream inquiries, Media or Scholarly! What a Sham! It took a while but I am really pissed of, the killings, the lies! This will not rest on my watch!

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  • Pattibbs

    You’ve asked all the critical questions thus identifying the real value of our loss of investigative reporting. Media consolidation has stripped us of mainstream reporting and forced us to seek such sources as WhoWhatWhy for the real truth. I am grateful that you are there to take up the slack.

  • gunthorpe

    They lied about the raid? Shocker! The burial at sea part really sang. And what about the Patriot games redux where they’re all looking at the alleged kill in real time. Like the Pentagon would ever grant civilians access to something that super-extra top secret operation wolf cloak-like.

    When something seems too good to be true it usually is.

    excellent work Mr. Baker

    • Hassan i Sabbah

      Between the phony photo of Barry and Hillary and the rest of the d1ldos “watching” the nonexistent video feed, and the “burial” at sea, I don’t see how anyone who isn’t thoroughly hypnotized can take any of this at face value.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-F-Rivero/688092586 Michael F Rivero

    See A GALLERY OF FAKE DEAD BIN LADENS tinyurl.com/3vvwebc

  • Anonymous

    Osama Bin Dead for almost 10yrs.  Period!

  • Anonymous

    How about a helmet cam photo taken one second before the “fatal shot”?
    How about it, since Obama claims that the dead body was too that was supposed to be too gory for us to see.

  • Anonymous

    How about a helmet cam photo taken one second before the “fatal shot”?
    How about it, since Obama claims that the dead body was too that was supposed to be too gory for us to see.

    • H.P. Loathecraft

      As I understand it, there were never any helmet cams to begin with.

  • Anonymous

    Lots of good questions here, and reporting Schmidle’s background is really excellent work. But none of this really changes anything for me. What we can see in the verifiable public world is that a) Osama’s dead and b) Pakistan is really pissed off at the US about the way it went down.  Those are both good outcomes as far as I’m concerned. 

    • H.P. Loathecraft

      Except he was worth much more alive than dead. 
      Alive he offered potential intelligence; dead he offers only propaganda.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/rpressl Richard Pressl

    Yes, indeed…the New Yorker article is at best a sham – at
    worst DoD/CIA propaganda – someone needs to interview the SEALS involved
    in the operation – now; while it’s still possible to do so; and get
    their testimony first-hand. Plus a full recording of the operational
    decisions, planning, and procedures. Many who have seen the US 
    “defense” cabal up close hold their noses when reading about this action
    as described in the MSM. This episode doesn’t need to become a movie –
    it needs to become a fully documented National archive entry – restrict
    it for years if it must be so – but don’t let it disappear! The
    importance of this could easily surpass the “Maine Incident” or the
    “Gulf of Tonkin Incident” for future generations.

    • R Heringhauser

      If any military member decides to go against the government line; well the should remember what happened to Pat Tilman. These people play for keeps.

  • Ehswan

    The initial story of the raid made sense.  Our brave men raid the compound,  shoot their way up to where bin Laden is and kill him in self defense.
    What doesn’t make sense is why the story was changed?
    Think about it.  Why screw up a perfectly good story?
    Why change it in such a way as to make it way less believable?
    Why?

    • signs

      Probably because news reporters swarmed the site, and there were quite a few Pakistani ear- and eye-witnesses.  Contradictions to the original story were already leaking, by the time the official account changed.

      Speculating on other possible motives:  internal friction at home perhaps, such as interagency competition, leaks from within the ranks, or even, if some players were hoodwinked going in, a way to diminish SEAL accomplishments  without killing the whole narrative of Osama captured.

  • Robert

    The Fake Osama:     aynsteyn.blogspot.com      

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dirk-Gerhardt/100000447156810 Dirk Gerhardt

    Osama was dead since 2001 and a cover story for his killing has bo be found. It’s disgusting

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